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Trump: ban Islamists, not Muslims
The Washington Times ^ | 12/11/15 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 12/12/2015 10:23:20 PM PST by The Westerner

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To: Gene Eric
I agree. It is not America's fault that Islam promotes the death of nonbelievers aka infidels. It is not our duty to determine who the "bad" Muslims are as opposed to the "good" Muslims. No Muslim has a right to immigrate here or even visit here, until Islam throws out the belief that all infidels should either be converted Islam or killed. Period. Oh, and that includes Prince Allahweirdo whose family finances Wahhabist Mosques all over the world.
21 posted on 12/12/2015 11:34:02 PM PST by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: The Westerner
OK Tell how we can tell the difference.

I call for a ban on all immigration for ten years at least. Also a very strict vetting on all VISA applications and a two year prison sentence and a fifty thousand dollar fine for VISA over stays.

All visa overstays will have 90 days to vacate the country or pay the consequences.

22 posted on 12/12/2015 11:42:41 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Gene Eric

I agree. The problem is that not only do people not see the value of it, decades of indoctrination in ‘citizen of the world’ unicorn thinking has made many actively loathe nationalism and the idea of loving one’s origins/country.

I don’t see a solution here. It’s possible to deprogram one person. Evan small groups. But to deprogram upwards of 200,000,000 koolaid conjures on both sides of the political spectrum... I don’t see how. The only ‘solution’ if one can call it that is a total reset. And that means collapse/war.

History is what it is. And we see what happens every time the world gets this far out of balance. Nature takes over and the world resets itself.

It would be great if we all could ‘just get along.’ But we can’t. More specifically with muslims, they ‘won’t’.
they are fundementally at odds with every single thing civilization represents.

Take even the wealthiest/best educated amongst them. Despite all their modern learning and living, they adhere to the book that commands they use that knowledge and advancement to do what? To Devolve the world back to a stone age and brutal existence where that very knowledge is forbidden.

That’s a philosophy of madness. Yet it is what every Koran believing Muslim (which is ANY Koran believing muslim, because to BE muslim to begin with, one must believe the Koran in total) wants.

People, whether Trump or Cruz or Hillary, refuse to accept, embrace and act on that fact. Whether it’s out of fear, playing political games or any other reason doesn’t really matter. This is a problem with 2 possible solutions and two possible outcomes.

1: Kill or contain them back in their sandbox and live as two separate and divided people.

2: One or the other group is eradicated..


23 posted on 12/13/2015 12:04:58 AM PST by Norm Lenhart (`)
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To: The Westerner

Islam is Naziism, with a twist of religion to give it cover and allow everyone to scream discrimination when it is criticized.


24 posted on 12/13/2015 12:07:52 AM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: The Westerner

The religious book of Muslims encourages Taqiyya. That simply means, Muslims are encouraged to lie about their true intentions to Kaffirs (non believers of Mohammad).

Every country listed below had initially a small and peaceful Muslim population. After Muslims grew into a majority, they showed their true colors.

Learn from history or be doomed to repeat it.

Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey,
Iran, Sudan, Algeria, Afghanistan, Morocco,
Iraq, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Yemen,
Syria, Kazakhstan, Niger, Burkina Faso, Mali, Senegal,
Tunisia, Guinea, Somalia, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan,
Sierra Leone, Libya, Jordan, United Arab Emirates,
Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Chad, Lebanon, Kuwait,
Albania, Mauritania, Oman, Kosovo, Gambia, Bahrain,
Comoros, Qatar, Djibouti, Brunei, Maldives, Palestine

Large communities of Muslims are also found in China, the Balkans, India, and Russia. Other parts of the world host large Muslim immigrant communities; in Western Europe, for instance, Islam is the second largest religion after Christianity, where it represents 6% of the total population.

Islam has 1.6 billion adherents, making up over 22% of the world population. Islam is just like cancer. In the beginning there are no symptoms, no pain. It spreads silently. The host is completely unaware of the danger lurking ahead. After it grows larger, symptoms show up, and then it kills the host.


25 posted on 12/13/2015 12:09:01 AM PST by entropy12 (Go Trump 2016!)
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To: The Westerner

> “The ***negative responses***, domestic and international, Muslim and non-Muslim, came in fast and furious – and ***rightly so***, as Trump’s crude blast is ***unconstitutional***, ***unacceptable***, ***unworkable***, and ***unstrategic***.”

Massive complete failure on all asterisked items.

“negative responses”
The positive responses among American voters overwhelmed the negatives, so much so that the establishment which is fixated on Trump hatred looked isolated and foolish in their disconnect with Americans.

***rightly so***
Only to a minority of persons that are fixated first on hating Trump and his supporters and then endeavor to find any pretext for spouting off nonsense to support their underlying hatred

***unconstitutional***
Not true, as legal scholars weigh in on both conservative and liberal sides, the United States has every right to restrict its immigration policy as it sees fit.

***unacceptable***
Americans by a large majority find in not only acceptable but essential to their survival

***unworkable***
As opposed to allowing unfettered access to America as if a border doesn’t exist?

***unstrategic***
This is laughable. Of course it’s strategic in every sense. The goal is to get to safety, assess the threat and then respond accordingly. That’s basic strategy 101.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Daniel Pipes joins a small list of vocal thick headed halfwit Trump haters who would otherwise be unnoticeable and unremarkable except for attaching their hate to a charismatic person that puts Americans first.


26 posted on 12/13/2015 12:52:26 AM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: RobbyS

“Many Muslims are not here to become Americans but to colonize.”

Robby, the word isn’t “many, it’s “all!” If there were really any “moderate” mooslims, we would be getting a measure of support from the so-called “mooslim community” in our efforts to weed out the terrorists. The truth of the matter is that they ALL want the world to run under Muslim “law” amd the are all here to attempt to take control of our government and change our way of life.


27 posted on 12/13/2015 1:31:25 AM PST by vette6387
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To: The Westerner

He’s wrong. Trump said nothing unconstitutional. We could ban foreign refrigerator repairmen if we wanted. Foreigners in their foreign countries have no rights under our Constitution.


28 posted on 12/13/2015 2:34:21 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support the troops pray for their victory!)
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To: timestax

Hit nail on head!


29 posted on 12/13/2015 2:41:44 AM PST by ImNotLying
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To: The Westerner

Well; when AIDS hit us; we wanted to ban all homosexuals; not just the sick ones.

We learned our lesson about that; too.

Homos are no longer a problem in this country; and they do not reproduce.


30 posted on 12/13/2015 3:09:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: timestax
We were told, by holy men, that we'd receive 72 virgins...


 

Blessed by a holy man, Porter Rockwell was promised that
if he never cut his hair he would not be harmed by bullet nor blade
 

31 posted on 12/13/2015 3:36:38 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: xzins
Foreigners in their foreign countries have no rights under our Constitution.

Hell!

Half the voters in THIS country want to make it the same for our citizens here!

32 posted on 12/13/2015 3:41:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Moderates if there are any are easily manipulated and threatened into siding with the cause. So lets not make every attempt possible into believing that they will side with us


33 posted on 12/13/2015 3:48:34 AM PST by ronnie raygun (If we dont stand we will fall hard)
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To: The Westerner

No, despite all the good work Pipes has done, he is here furthering the fictions that Islam is merely a “constitutionally protected” religion—and that under the Constitution we don’t have the right to restrict who enters the country.

Here’s his own take on his position in this fight:

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2010/08/once_considered_anti-islam_senior_scholar_says_hes_now_in_the_middle.html


34 posted on 12/13/2015 3:49:23 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Elsie

Rotflol!


35 posted on 12/13/2015 3:57:48 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support the troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

“Therefore, he concluded, “Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad.”..........

Sounds like a common sense approach to me but then, when did “common sense” make any difference?


36 posted on 12/13/2015 4:57:29 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: The Westerner

Changing it would mean admitting he was wrong originally. Trump never admits to a mistake, and never will.


37 posted on 12/13/2015 5:00:44 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: The Westerner

Islamists, Muslims, they all sound the same to me.


38 posted on 12/13/2015 5:05:10 AM PST by McGruff (I don't know if sand can glow in the dark, but we’re going to find out - Ted Cruz)
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To: The Westerner

How can you tell? THat’s the essence of the problem.


39 posted on 12/13/2015 6:11:10 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: The Westerner
Here he presents a simple, factual, reasonable response to Trump's emotion based rhetoric.

His arguments are more emotion based than "Trump's "emotion based rhetoric".

According to him, defending the People from those who would kill us all is unconstitutional. unethical, unworkable...

I call crapola. Especially since there have been precedents in the not so distant past that back Trump's common-sense approach to stem the flow until we can get a grip on the realities of who we have to deal with and how to prevent letting the foxes overrun the hen house.

Instead of making excuses for letting the bad guys in and claiming to support conservative (common sense) values, it might be more productive to invest oneself in what one considers to be the best man for the job and perhaps send a little in the direction of FR - that's how folks espouse conservative values without having to twist things so far out of shape that Timothy Leary's dreams made more sense...

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40 posted on 12/13/2015 6:12:38 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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