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Trump: ban Islamists, not Muslims
The Washington Times ^ | 12/11/15 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 12/12/2015 10:23:20 PM PST by The Westerner

Donald Trump, the leading Republican presidential candidate, called on Dec. 7 for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." Replace one word in this formulation and it goes from outrageous to brilliant. Reacting to massacres by Muslims in Paris and San Bernardino, Trump pointed to a Muslim hatred "beyond comprehension" for the West. Therefore, he concluded, "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad." The negative responses, domestic and international, Muslim and non-Muslim, came in fast and furious – and rightly so, as Trump's crude blast is unconstitutional, unacceptable, unworkable, and unstrategic.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2016election; danielpipes; election2016; elections; immigration; muslim; newyork; terrorism; trump; trumpwasright
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Whenever Daniel Pipes speaks, I listen. Here he presents a simple, factual, reasonable response to Trump's emotion based rhetoric. Several years ago, Pipes was invited to our local University to speak by the Jewish student society. Two armed police with hand on hips stood on either side of him facing the large crowd. As soon as Pipes spoke against Radical Islam, the crowd in the center of the lecture hall stood in unison booing and taunting him, making it impossible to continue. It was both frightening and enraging that an American University tolerated this behavior. Cops arrived in the back of the hall and the "protesters" were forced to leave. And Pipes continued. This Man has true grit.
1 posted on 12/12/2015 10:23:20 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: The Westerner

Sorry if this has been posted. I checked earlier and didn’t find it.


2 posted on 12/12/2015 10:24:47 PM PST by The Westerner
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So not all Muslims should be banned? Then which should be permitted to immigrate?


3 posted on 12/12/2015 10:35:51 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: The Westerner

Still taking a chance, because it seems that in this day and time, Many Muslims are not here to become Americans but to colonize.


4 posted on 12/12/2015 10:42:46 PM PST by RobbyS (quotes)
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To: The Westerner
The negative responses, domestic and international, Muslim and non-Muslim, came in fast and furious and rightly so, as Trump's crude blast is unconstitutional, unacceptable, unworkable, and unstrategic.

It's not only Constitutional and acceptable but way past due. This is starting to get scary when guys like Daniel Pipes are genuflecting to political correctness. Invasion of the body snatchers.....it's the only explanation.
5 posted on 12/12/2015 10:44:42 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (DEPORT OBOLA VOTERS)
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“Whenever Daniel Pipes speaks, I listen”

Bad idea. He’s a dumbass.

I stopped reading on the 4th paragraph when he wrote that the ban is unconstitutional.

Send this to him:

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/12/law-professors-trumps-muslim-moratorium-is-constitutional/


6 posted on 12/12/2015 10:46:10 PM PST by Helicondelta
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To: The Westerner

Sure would have been nice if Mr. Pipes had some way of actually sorting out the nut balls from the “reasonable” ones. Sadly, he doesn’t.

So the only rational thing to do is stop anymore of them from coming in.

L


7 posted on 12/12/2015 10:48:25 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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." Islamists are those Muslims who seek to apply Islamic law, oppress women and non-Muslims, and establish a worldwide caliphate. They make up about 10-15 percent of the Muslim population; they, not Muslims in general, are the barbarians who "believe only in Jihad"

And when the former tries to "blend in" as the latter, how in the world do you tell the difference?

8 posted on 12/12/2015 10:48:35 PM PST by lovesdogs
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To: The Westerner

Oh, for Lurline’s sakes. Stop immigration completely. Islam is not of one race. It is not of one sex. Any profiling at this point is useless. Everyone who wants to enter should be viewed with suspicion. It’s unfortunate, but our country, our citizens, and our children are in grave danger. This is no time to play games.


9 posted on 12/12/2015 10:49:01 PM PST by Politicalkiddo ("How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts!"- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Gene Eric

If a Muslim cannot be vetted, they must not be allowed to proceed further. We should’ve applied this same criteria to 0blama. That’s quite obvious at this point.


10 posted on 12/12/2015 10:51:45 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Gene Eric
That's the question.....What do Muslims add to a free society like America?

Law of Submission aka Law of Slavery aka ISLAM vs Natural Law.

God given unalienable rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Islam needs to be eradicated from the world not brought here to our shores. We've already got our enemy within----The DEMONCRATS

11 posted on 12/12/2015 11:00:02 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (DEPORT OBOLA VOTERS)
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To: The Westerner
Muslims versus Islamists:

at best, hair splitting, but really a distinction without a difference.

Dr. Pipes is just kowtowing to the Establishment in piling on Trump.

12 posted on 12/12/2015 11:01:07 PM PST by Praxeologue ( ')
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13 posted on 12/12/2015 11:03:30 PM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Agreed. Common sense.


14 posted on 12/12/2015 11:03:59 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Gene Eric

He’s playing the 2 steps forward/one step back/net gain game. Unfortunately with muslims, that still gets dead people, not solutions.


15 posted on 12/12/2015 11:04:22 PM PST by Norm Lenhart (`)
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To: Electric Graffiti

>> Islam needs to be eradicated

Makes sense. Islam is a war plan.


16 posted on 12/12/2015 11:11:01 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Yup, the cost of half-measures.

The value of citizenship must be resurrected — for it would solve many problems.


17 posted on 12/12/2015 11:17:05 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: The Westerner

There is no Constitutional right for individuals overseas to come to America. Foreigners in foreign lands do not have Constitutional rights. Nor do Americans when they are travelling in foreign countries, for that matter.

The Constitution starts and ends at America’s borders.


18 posted on 12/12/2015 11:17:56 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Just say NO to muslim "immigrants")
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To: The Westerner

It’s as easy as curing cancer. Just kill the cancer cells and leave the good cells alone.


19 posted on 12/12/2015 11:22:30 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: The Westerner

Is it just me or does this “you can ban someone based on their religion” seem a little weak?

Especially since the regime is not letting in Middle Eastern Christians?


20 posted on 12/12/2015 11:23:55 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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