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What the Heck, Polls?
The National Review ^ | December 11, 2015 | Kristen Soltis Anderson

Posted on 12/12/2015 2:36:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: dmz

Kristen Soltis Anderson - Republican (read GOPe) strategist, one of Time’s 30 Under 30 who will ‘shake’ up the world. She’s a columnist for The Daily Beast.


41 posted on 12/12/2015 5:52:59 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Seems like the kind of twisted "logic" that the "warmers" use to justify why we need to listen to them and not believe our lying eyes or the un-doctored data...

The gal is telling us to ignore everything because she has some questions about the validity of the phenomenon that has been more stable and steady than any other in a long time.

42 posted on 12/12/2015 6:09:24 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: dforest

Agreed.If the media doesn’t try to make a horse race out of this then the ad money doesn’t flow.The want to milk this cow for all its worth but sooner or later it will become apparent that Trump is steam rolling the competition.


43 posted on 12/12/2015 6:12:50 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

More gibberish.

Lots of intelligent sounding language crafted to convince you that right is, somehow, wrong.

Trump’s ahead in every poll, by far, for months... so there must be something wrong with the polls, huh?

Hmm. Would we be seeing article like this if Jeb was in first place? Nope. We’d be reading articles asking why, with this widespread degree of support, all of the other candidates aren’t pulling out and putting their weight behind a very popular presumptive candidate.


44 posted on 12/12/2015 6:18:42 AM PST by Pravious
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
GOPe: "WAIT! I'M NOT DEAD...YET!"


45 posted on 12/12/2015 6:22:51 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: PGalt

They’re moderates.

The problem for this author and all of the ‘punditry’ is that Trump’s positions are supported by moderates.
But such positions are not supposed to be ‘moderate’ they’re supposed to be fringe and extreme according to the media. The media keep attacking Trump as ‘extreme’ and failing to hurt him.

I hope they keep this up and are puzzled by his polling until the election is over.


46 posted on 12/12/2015 6:23:11 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Trying to explain the Trump phenomenon has become the holy grail of the media, the GOPe and detractors. Their goal is to define Trump in a way that strips him of any credibility. We have heard everything from personal vindictiveness to conspiracy theories involving the Clintons.

But its really pretty simple. Trump is to politics what Rush was to media.

Both politics and media are closed, guarded cliques, very similar to fraternities and sororities. There is only one way in. There is a “pledging” process in which the newbie (politics or media) must show their loyalty to the “alumnus.”

Another way to put it would be an “auditioning” process. To become career media insider and/or government “leader,” one has to systematically “perform” for incumbents at successive rungs on the ladder. First you audition and perform at a local level, then if your big break comes, you are offered auditions on the big stage.

But through it all is an understanding that you do not, under any circumstances, disrespect the organization. You must always pay homage to the corporate entity that accepted, nurtured and promoted you. Your ultimate loyalty must always reside in Big Journalism or Big Gov.

The “little people” are just there to be manipulated into believing you are their champions.

Rush and Trump were not willing to follow the unwritten rules for accessing status and power in the worlds of media and politics. Rush started it when he took the microphone and started saying what needed to be said, without the filtering and censorship of the power structure. How dare he build an audience and influence public opinion!

Trump is doing to politics what Rush did to media. The parallels are undeniable. In both cases they are providing an invaluable service by delivering relevant information and ideas while revealing the sordid nature of the corporate entities they inhabit.

Trump is the Rush of politics.

47 posted on 12/12/2015 6:32:15 AM PST by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: dforest

I’ll do it however I damn well please.

The worst offenders of proper decorum on these forums is your hyper-infatuated Trump fool.


48 posted on 12/12/2015 6:35:09 AM PST by Oklahoma
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To: Oklahoma

Hardly, you have shown your true colors. Can’t get away from that.

Have a Yuge day!


49 posted on 12/12/2015 6:44:59 AM PST by dforest
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To: Gaffer

They don’t ping you because they do not have the guts to say it to your face.


50 posted on 12/12/2015 6:48:51 AM PST by dforest
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To: dforest

I guess it all works out in the end. The goal in replying is to keep them busy on whatever hate-thread they’ve started and to keep them from starting another. It does take them time to regroup and react.


51 posted on 12/12/2015 6:51:18 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Bud, you are a lost cause.

If you succeed in gaining the nomination for Trump and he wins he’ll be no better than Nixon or Ford as President.

If he doesn’t get the nomination and his supporters sit it out Hillary wins. If he runs as a third party Hillary also wins.

On the subject of poor forum behavior you started it with your snarksh post after the article in this thread was posted. I simply responded in the same spirit.


52 posted on 12/12/2015 6:53:01 AM PST by Oklahoma
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To: Gaffer

That kind of attack is awful and totally unnecessary.


53 posted on 12/12/2015 6:53:50 AM PST by dforest
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To: Oklahoma

Bud, you can bark your crap up another tree. My first post was about the article. At least I it looked and saw who wrote it.


54 posted on 12/12/2015 6:54:46 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Your first post was completely unnecessary and worthless as pertaining to the subject. Instead of critical analysis of why you either agreed or disagreed with the article you belittled the poster for posting.

The pot calls the kettle black. There may be many decent Trump supporters out there but don’t often show up in these forums.


55 posted on 12/12/2015 7:04:53 AM PST by Oklahoma
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To: Oklahoma
Oh, Excuse me. Perhaps I should first query YOU to be sure my intended posts are appropriate in responding to a Trump-hater, then?

I guess I should be ecstatically happy that you at least deign to admit there might be at least some decent Trump supporters out there, huh?

You lost your chance back when you started the name-calling without me, Bud.

56 posted on 12/12/2015 7:08:31 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good walk-through of the reasons why polls are interesting but not nearly as earth-shatteringly important as some want to make them.


57 posted on 12/12/2015 7:12:32 AM PST by FourPeas (Tone matters.)
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To: Gaffer

We have a right to hate anyone we choose, including Trump and his slavish supporters.

Trump isn’t a Conservative and it is more than likely that most of his support is coming from old Wallace democrats, John Anderson moderate republicans, Ross Perot angry moderates, and Pat Buchanan Paleo-Isolationists.

Perot led to Bill Clinton. Will Trump lead to Hillary?


58 posted on 12/12/2015 7:20:44 AM PST by Oklahoma
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
2) Are people just saying they like Trump, but when it comes down to it, even if they vote, they won't really choose him in the voting booth?

I'm going to bet that the opposite happens. People are afraid to say they like Trump because the media has equated it to saying you like Hitler. In the privacy of the voting booth, when no one is looking over your shoulder, people are going to vote from their heart.

59 posted on 12/12/2015 7:26:45 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Oklahoma
We have a right to hate anyone we choose......

That pretty much says it all, doesn't it? If I were a journalist and write a column that a lot of people would read, I'd post your litany as an example.

60 posted on 12/12/2015 7:32:06 AM PST by Gaffer
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