Male U.S. Commandos Don't Want Women in Special Ops Jobs
We are seeing a political agenda being played out regardless of its consequences.
Posted on 12/11/2015 1:17:56 PM PST by Hojczyk
(WASHINGTON) — The men in the U.S. military’s most dangerous jobs care little about political correctness or gender equality. And they have a message for their political leadership.
When they are fighting in the shadows or bleeding on the battlefield, women have no place on their teams.
In blunt and, at times, profanity-laced answers to a voluntary survey conducted by the Rand Corp., more than 7,600 of America’s special operations forces spoke with nearly one voice. Allowing women to serve in Navy SEAL, Army Delta or other commando units could hurt their effectiveness and lower the standards, and it may drive men away from the dangerous posts.
An overwhelming majority of those who agreed to respond to the RAND survey said they believe women don’t have the physical strength or mental toughness to do the grueling jobs.
Some of the broader conclusions of the survey, taken from May through July 2014, were disclosed by The Associated Press earlier this year, but the detailed results and comments written by respondents had not been released.
“I weigh 225 pounds, and 280 pounds in full kit, as did most of the members of my ODA (a 12-man Army Green Beret unit),†one respondent said. “I expect every person on my team to be able to drag any member of my team out of a firefight. A 130 pound female could not do it, I don’t care how much time she spends in the gym. Do we expect wounded men to bleed out because a female soldier could not drag him to cover?â€
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You are, painfully, correct! Well Said!
Leftism is a form of severe mental illness. And the American people are so mentally ill that they elected the worst of them. Twice.
How many women are in the NBA or NFL ?
They can’t get in if physical requirements are equal.
Of course they don’t. This entire issue is ridiculous.
Allowing women to serve in Navy SEAL, Army Delta or other commando units could hurt their effectiveness and lower the standards, and it may drive men away from the dangerous posts.
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Yep, major leftist objective right there:
Destroy effectiveness and combat readiness in order to make our military incapable of protecting the country.
Women are ruining sports talk radio too.
Active Duty ping.
That all depends on whether or not he has appointed himself emperor by January 2017.
If you want a historical perspective on this issue lets go back to the Cold War when SAC tried mix gender missile launch crews.
There should be plenty of historical documentation dealing with the social conflicts that developed in both the launch control cab and at home.
Remember the operational conditions were sitting in an environmentally controlled environment for 48 hours and then home. Compare this to humping the dusty hills in you battle raddle.
I sent the following letter to the senators,my congressman and serveral commentators just so I can say I told you so. This is terrible.
The Tragedy of Women in Combat
Ash Carter’s announcement demonstrates this Administration’s attachment to a political ideology fueled by arrogance and premeditated ignorance. Any long period of study and vigorous debate has been among those mutually supportive creatures that have metastasized throughout the military to serve a social agenda bringing future needless devastation.
This tragedy of women in combat provides another reason I now always council men to never enter the armed forces. Social engineering that amalgamates feminist ideals everywhere has now become the over arching imperative to which all operational capabilities must submit.
However, combat operations too often demand unpredictably and unimaginably exhausting brutality to achieve victory. Therefore, only the highest physical abilities and most severe restrictions on human emotions and behaviors can foster the required high morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion required.
Human sexuality simply cannot intrude into this sub-culture where only those displaying the greatest savagely and endurance can hope to win. Resorting to war for national defense entails the ultimate Olympics of conflict occurring at the bleeding edge of existence where the unbelievable becomes the possible. Here there is much less excuse for merging men and women into these struggles than exists for the athletic competitions held every four years.
Combat forms personnel into small, rigid, task oriented units. These people continuously face extraordinary stress punctuated by killing other humans. At the point of collision, they undertake actions requiring sacrificial, primitive and intimate actions. Such environments are inherently chaotic, barbaric, and brittle. They can be overcome only by a totalitarian leadership and narrow focus unimaginable for those who see any opportunity for the social alchemy popular in civilian life.
The regimental combat teams for infantry, mechanized and armored units are now the playthings of bureaucrats committed to equal opportunity and affirmative action. They are dismissive of warriors enduring the brutal carnage imperative for victory. Institutional memories no longer exist for fighting ferocious, shrewd enemies such as the Germans, Japanese, Chinese, and North Vietnamese, who utilized a full array of modern weapons. If one notes the ribbons on any senior officer’s uniform, they show they fought only Arabs the Israelis beat three times at 20 to 1 odds. Such people now question the necessity for high standards which do not obfuscate or allow inferior female performance.
Women not only do not belong at the pointy end of the spear, but should not be holding it to the extent the combat arms must depend on their savagery. As this tragedy unfolds I will remember the quote that, “Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalfâ€.Â
All Combat Roles Now Open to Women, Pentagon Says
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pentagon-nbc-news-all-combat-roles-now-openomen-n473581?cid=eml_nbn_20151203
The Greatest Lie Ever Told - Female Rangers
http://usdefensewatch.com/2015/12/the-greatest-lie-ever-told-female-rangers/
Why Marines, unlike Army and Navy, are so against women in combat
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2015/0911/Why-Marines-unlike-Army-and-Navy-are-so-against-women-in-combat?cmpid=editorpicks&google_editors_picks=true
General Martin E. Dempsey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Dempsey
Gen. Dempsey: If Women Can’t Meet Military Standard, Pentagon Will Ask ‘Does It Really Have to Be That High?’
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gen-dempsey-if-women-can-t-meet-military-standard-pentagon-will-ask-does-it-really-have
Coed Combat Units - A bad idea on all counts
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/coed-combat-units_697822.html
You’re In the New Army Now
http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2013/01/youre-in-new-army-now.html
Male U.S. Commandos Don't Want Women in Special Ops Jobs
We are seeing a political agenda being played out regardless of its consequences.
On ESPN, they’ve started putting women co-hosts on most of the radio talk shows.
Bummer!
And I’m not a misogynist. I like Suzyn Waldman on the Yankee broadcasts, and Lori Rubinson on WFAN.
I hear you. For the most part, women have a different perspective on things.
Most of us haven’t played football, and that makes a huge disparity in how we are able to understand the game. The same applies to hockey and basketball.
The word you're looking for is "rape". In every imaginable way.
No sense being shy about what sort of enemy we face.
On 20 November 1943, during the horrific fighting on Betio atoll during the battle of Tarawa, two Japanese tanks mounted a counterattack against the fragile Marine toehold on Red Beach 3. The Marines were huddled there at the base of a seawall in the face of withering fire from Admiral Keiji Shibasaki’s fanatical Japanese Naval Landing Force defenders who were slaughtering hundreds of their 2nd Marine Division comrades in Betio Lagoon during 76 hours of some of the most savage fighting in the history not only of the Marines, but the US armed forces.
Marine anti-tank gun crews were trying to figure out how to get their 912 lb 37MM M3 antitank guns over the 7 foot plus seawall. The battery commander ordered his 5 man crews to LIFT them over. Being Marines who always obeyed even seemingly impossible orders, they did EXACTLY that and promptly knocked out the tanks. They then engaged several enemy bunkers whose dual purpose guns were repeatedly knocking out the approaching landing craft and put them out of action. Finally they routed a local counter attack of 200 or so Japanese against the south shore of Red Beach 3 with canister shot, all of this at a critical and precarious point in the landing.
Whats that about upper body strength being not as important
in modern warfare anymore and that women are just as likely to be able to do the job of combat infantry?
Familiarize your self with the case of Merril’s Marauders in WWII in the China. From Feb-May of 1944, the men of “Galahad Force” were subjected to the most grueling long term commitment probably of ANY US combat unit in history. A long range deep penetration operation. At the end of it, almost every man was wracked by dysentery, malaria, scrub typhus, cholera, and any number of debilitating diseases that sapped their strength to far below whatever it was when they began the operation. Their mission had been extended and lengthened several times, and their debilitated condition was not deemed sufficient to allow them relief.
I fear we are losing the institutional memory of having faced enemies that are capable of defeating us on the battlefield. We have not faced such an enemy since the summer of 1950 in South Korea. The cultural marxists now in charge of the Obama administration are indulging in the sort of social experimentation SURE to result in defeat or serious setback against an enemy capable of projecting the sort of battle field power that would lead to the battlefield reverses that the US Army suffered at Kasserine Pass, the Hurtegen Forest, the Rapido River or the Rangers at Cisterna.
I mean no disrespect to the female perssonnel of the US Armed Forces who have served and ARE serving their nation honorably and well. I respect them as fellow vets and comrades in arms. Policy decisions are above their level for the most part.
But as a matter of POLICY, I think that women should be excluded from the armed forces for the most part, with a few exceptions and COMPLETELY from combat and most combat support roles, particularly when the armed forces are a small percentage of the total population, as is the case now. The use of significant numbers of women should be reserved for large scale mobilization as was the case in WWII. The population base is more than twice as large now as then and there would be no problem securing a sufficient number of qualified men with appropriate incentives for such a relatively small armed forces.
The advantages for the armed forces, particularly the Army would be greater flexibility as to how personnel can be deployed in combat emergencies and other contingincies and a lesser logistical strain as involves clothing, barracks and housing, and innumerable other considerations that are exclusive to the maintenence of large numbers of women. I think morale and discipline would also be improved as well.
The courts have repeatedly ruled that the armed forces are exempted from many of the equal opportunity requirements of the civillian world, and for the very good and sufficient requirements that are unique to the armed forces. This contretemps is being propelled largely by the cultural marxist wing of gender equity feminism who wish for the placement of a leftist Chairwoman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The resultant detriment of the ability of the armed forces to fight plays no consideration in their calculus, other than as an peripheral side benefit.
I know that women have played a vital role during guerrilla, partisan warfare and sabatoge/espionage activity. But to deliberately employ them in ground combat units whose primary task is to close with, engage and destroy similar enemy units is the height of lunacy and madness given the effort required to identify the relative few who could qualify even if we ignore the potential detriments to morale and discipline.
This is sheer and utter madness akin to allowing open homosexuals to serve in the armed forces.
That should read Merrils Marauders in the China Burma India Theatre
gonna catch hell for this, but I know some damn fine women who should be Snipers. Just sayin’.
No, you don’t. You might know some women who are excellent shots, as do I. But you don’t know any women capable of sustained, covert infiltration with all of their necessary supplies and equipment, with the range of physical and mental stamina necessary to be combat snipers. Being a sniper is about way more than just having good aim. And there aren’t any women (statistically speaking) that have all of the qualities necessary. It’s a biological fact.
What could possibly go wrong?
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