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The Tipping Point: Most Americans No Longer Are Middle Class
NPR ^ | 09 Dec 2015 | Marilyn Geewax

Posted on 12/09/2015 3:04:07 PM PST by Theoria

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To: Jewbacca

No, it was your corrupt government representatives that did this, not the USA.


21 posted on 12/09/2015 3:21:48 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Theoria

I don’t disagree.


22 posted on 12/09/2015 3:22:55 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Hugin

Obama has incessant told us that anyone making over $250k is evil and “rich,” and should be taxed to death. He later modified that number to $200k. (Later to be modified much lower, when he finds out how much money he needs to implement socialism.)


23 posted on 12/09/2015 3:23:35 PM PST by fwdude
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To: dragnet2

My dad and I bitterly argued NAFTA when it was the new and shiny thing that had just passed. He was all stoked on the global economy, and I thought it would take away American jobs, independence, and substitute shoddy, inferior products for our own. Unfortunately, it was one of the few times at that age when I was right, and he was wrong.


24 posted on 12/09/2015 3:25:20 PM PST by Psalm 144 (The mill grinds exceedingly fine.)
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To: Original Lurker

What on earth do public schools have to do with this???

Enlighten me.

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25 posted on 12/09/2015 3:26:59 PM PST by Mears
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To: dragnet2

Well, I’m Israeli.

So they are YOUR corrupt government representatives.

We have our own corrupt government representatives. ha.


26 posted on 12/09/2015 3:30:21 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: Psalm 144

We were warned many times about “Free trade” from the insiders who all became wealthy from kickbacks, bribes and insider payoffs.

Look at middle America now.


27 posted on 12/09/2015 3:30:31 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Theoria

The Marxist commenters at the National Communist Radio site are entertaining, though.


28 posted on 12/09/2015 3:30:35 PM PST by fwdude
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To: fwdude

There is little class mobility hence a shrinking middle class. The majority of the rich are now overeducated liberals who vote in their kind and overregulate and overtax the rest of us.


29 posted on 12/09/2015 3:30:36 PM PST by Crucial (At the heart all leftists is the fear that the truth is bigger than themselves.)
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To: Theoria

Obama’s economic policy = trickle up poverty.


30 posted on 12/09/2015 3:30:46 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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There is little class mobility...

BS! Nearly anyone who wants to can get ahead and move up in income, in spite of onerous taxation.

31 posted on 12/09/2015 3:32:39 PM PST by fwdude
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To: Psalm 144

Correction:

We were warned many times about “Free trade” and the insiders who pushed it and all became wealthy from kickbacks, bribes and insider payoffs.

Look at middle America now.


32 posted on 12/09/2015 3:32:46 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Theoria
Socialism hasn't completely engulfed us yet. At least we still have toilet paper.
33 posted on 12/09/2015 3:33:46 PM PST by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: Original Lurker

You’re right. Americans are woefully unprepared for the workforce. It is probably the single biggest factor in the decline of the middle-class. That and completely idiotic government policies.


34 posted on 12/09/2015 3:38:14 PM PST by Crucial (At the heart all leftists is the fear that the truth is bigger than themselves.)
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To: Hugin

I bet that 21% includes some of the traditional middle class. Liberals are always massaging numbers.


35 posted on 12/09/2015 3:41:39 PM PST by Crucial (At the heart all leftists is the fear that the truth is bigger than themselves.)
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To: fwdude

There is little class mobility...
BS! Nearly anyone who wants to can get ahead and move up in income, in spite of onerous taxation.


You did it, and I did it. But the reality it is a lot harder today for those coming behind us. Not so much taxation but regulation and other things.

There is even certification for burger flippers now days.
http://foodhandlercardtraining.com/il.html

I am glad I grew up when I did......................


36 posted on 12/09/2015 3:49:42 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Theoria

The Great Obama Depression continues to ravage what used to be workers in America

as a smaller percentage of Americans can afford to shop in ‘regular stores’ like Sears, JCPenneys, etc, these companies will continue to feel the pressure from their shrinking demographic

and as all the ‘new jobs’ have gone to immigrants (statistically speaking), more and more of what used to be our productive labor pool will be forced to sign up for the dole/welfare/food stamps/EBT cards/ObamaPhones/Public Housing/etc.


37 posted on 12/09/2015 3:52:45 PM PST by faithhopecharity (Brilliant, funny, and incisive Tagline coming to this space soon.....)
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To: Theoria

Here is the key paragraph that should have been quoted:

“Bottom line: For a household with three people, being middle class means making between about $42,000 and $126,000. If your family of three makes less than $42,000, then you are in the lower class. If your family brings in more than $126,000, you are in the upper class.”

A household income of $64K is therefore the median.

But there are many flaws in this methodology. It doesn’t take taxes or living expenses into account, or regional variations, and doesn’t account for wealth. If you earn $60K but own your house outright, you are much better off than the guy paying a huge mortgage.

Furthermore, many people have other money coming in that is not listed as income on their tax returns for various reasons.

It is really hard to say. Everybody knows their own dodges to minimize their official income while living well, but the economists are blind to them.


38 posted on 12/09/2015 3:56:55 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user

Yeah, I saw that too.

Correct me if I’m wrong here on so something else I see: that the graphs show the lower class remaing somewhat constant while middle and upper class together have expanded as population has grown. That would seem to be evidence of upward mobility, showing middle class moving to the lower end of upper class, while lower class is moving into the lower end of middle class.

But at a quick glance the graph doesn’t appear to show that, since it juxtaposes middle class on one side against combined upper and lower class on the other.


39 posted on 12/09/2015 4:05:03 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Mears

Please, please research the origins of “public schools”.
I know a lot of parents are very well intended, but unaware.

The public school system has been almost completely infiltrated with godlessness beyond comprehension.
(even un-americanness (did I make up a word?) should you be so inclined to be more of secular leanings).

On another FR thread, FReepers would be all over you like white on rice.. Just sayin’.

Just please, wake up..

youtube John Gatto. He will “splain” all you need to know.

Public schools make people STUPID!!!!


40 posted on 12/09/2015 4:08:22 PM PST by Original Lurker
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