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Russia Escalates: Suspends Military Cooperation With Turkey, Moves Warship Off Coast
Zero Hedge ^ | 11/24/2015

Posted on 11/24/2015 10:48:49 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Despite demands from France's Hollande, America's Obama, and NATO's Stoltenberg that this situation not esclate, it appears Putin is not taking the shooting down of a fighter jet lying down. The seemingly cagey confirmation by NATO and Obama of Turkey's claims that Russia invaded its airspace has been rebuked by Russia which claims the Hmeimim airbase radar shows the attacking Turkish plane violating Syrian airspace. In response, Russia is moving a Cruiser 'Moskva' off the coast to strengthen air-defenses - just as French and US carriers are on their way.

 

Here is The Turkish version mapping of the flight paths...

 

Russia claims otherwise...

And is escalating...

 

#BREAKING Russian Defence Min says suspends military contact with Turkey, reports Russian Interfax. #Russia pic.twitter.com/T9ItuDlYt3

— CNN Türk ENG (@CNNTURK_ENG) November 24, 2015

 

So just as we warned in September, the situation is a full re-run of the 2013 Syria "Mediterranean" showdown, with full naval engagement by all parties, except this time the tensions are significantly escalated, a Russian fighter jet has just been taken down, and Putin will not hestitate to go as far as he has to to save face.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria
KEYWORDS: iran; israel; russia; syria; turkey; warships
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Russia Escalates: Suspends Military Cooperation With Turkey, Moves Warship Off Coast To "Destroy Any Threats To Russian Planes"


1 posted on 11/24/2015 10:48:49 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Good. It’s nice to see some country standing up for its military and citizens unlike our cowering Child-In-Chief.


2 posted on 11/24/2015 10:54:15 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: SeekAndFind

Around siding with Turkey in this is in bed with ISIS.


3 posted on 11/24/2015 11:11:06 AM PST by sunrise_sunset
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To: SeekAndFind

Moskva and Charles de Gaulle close together, while Obama is doing his best to protect his pet terrorists from military attack. This could get ugly.


4 posted on 11/24/2015 11:15:06 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My concern is about Putin using a theater nuke on Raqqa, after his pilots were murdered. We would be at a whole new level then.


5 posted on 11/24/2015 11:16:27 AM PST by BigEdLB (red)
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To: SeekAndFind

While I’m not exactly a fan of Putin’s - or Erdogan’s for that matter, in a situation like this, in which Russia and (presumably) Turkey are trying to destroy ISIS, a brief overflight of a corner of Turkish airspace shouldn’t necessitate the downing of a Russian aircraft. During the Cold War, we and the Russians violated one another’s airspace along the German border on several occasions and, while we locked on to one another’s aircraft, we never actually shot one down.

Given Turkey’s increasingly fundamentalist direction and allegations that they’re supporting ISIS from behind the scenes, I’m not necessarily inclined to side with Turkey, especially given that the Russians and now the French are the only ones putting a hurt on ISIS.


6 posted on 11/24/2015 11:19:47 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: SkyDancer

This is eerie similar to the way in which WWI started. with all kinds of alliances getting invoked when Austrian duke Franz Ferdinand and his wife were assassinated in Serbia.

Due to various alliances all of the European heavy hitters, including Great Britain and Russia ended up in one big war.

Now we could have Turkey, carrying out an attack that has nothing to do with NATO, possibly dragging NATO into a confrontation with Russia and its allies. Unless Russia does not retaliate.

Considering all the Arab nations in the Middle East, NATO, Russian allies such as Serbia, Iran and perhaps China. For good measure toss in ISIS in the Middle East and its terrorists around the world. Hopefully this is settled with minimum fallout, but the potential is there for big trouble.

So many parties could see this as the perfect time to go on the attack and stir things up.

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7 posted on 11/24/2015 11:21:19 AM PST by fingers_crossed
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To: ManHunter

Exactly. There was a reason we were concerned about violating Pakistani airspace for the Bin Laden mission.

It’s because we new were Pakistani sympathies were. The Russians know the same about Turkey.


8 posted on 11/24/2015 11:23:07 AM PST by The Toll
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To: BigEdLB

I figure the US may have Turkey’s back, but the Chinese would have Russia’s back if this keeps escalating.


9 posted on 11/24/2015 11:23:59 AM PST by sockmonkey (Of course I didn't read the article. After all, this is Free Republic.)
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To: fingers_crossed

Just finished “Guns Of August” yet again ... can see how things escalated very quickly.


10 posted on 11/24/2015 11:28:04 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: SeekAndFind


11 posted on 11/24/2015 11:39:20 AM PST by anymouse (God didn't write this sitcom we call life, he's just the critic.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I do not see why the use of a tiny bit of airspace is a big deal. Why are they not on Russia’s side int he war on terror?


12 posted on 11/24/2015 11:50:08 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: fingers_crossed

Fourteen months is way too long to wait for an Obama exit when things are like this. Obama is going to be traitorous war president.


13 posted on 11/24/2015 11:51:31 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: sockmonkey

Exactly. The Chinese and Iran will back Russia. Who cares about that unsigned agreement with Iran. It never meant anything but “give us the money” anyway.


14 posted on 11/24/2015 11:52:49 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: anymouse

Given the players involved, I do not see this ending well.


15 posted on 11/24/2015 11:57:35 AM PST by AU72
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To: SkyDancer

You’re right, it did escalate quickly. An interesting alliance that has just recently resurfaced in the last week, is that of Britain, France and Russia being on the same side.

With Russia beyond doubt taking on ISIS, will Britain and France automatically follow whatever actions NATO takes.

If the initial situation I initially laid out did come about, would be bad for Obama and NATO. Because you go from playing chess on 1 level to 3 or 4 level chess. That is above Obama’s pay grade and maybe even “neutered” NATO’s paygrade but not Putin’s and his allies.

Who would the Eastern European nations side with. They were very much in disagreement with the EU over the Syrian refugee issue. The EU was treating them they way they have always treated Eastern European countries. Which is “you can’t possibly understand these more complicated geo-political issues.”


16 posted on 11/24/2015 12:05:49 PM PST by fingers_crossed
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I would tend to agree with you except for this; if this truly turned into a major conflict, a very complicated conflict, in such extraordinary circumstances, would the military continue to say Yes Sir, Commander in Chief.

IF Obama was wanting to chart a course quite contrary to what the military thought was prudent, would they follow.


17 posted on 11/24/2015 12:11:12 PM PST by fingers_crossed
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To: fingers_crossed

I don’t know. Good question. Obama is really going off the deep end now that he no longer worries about re-election. I think he is becoming dangerous.


18 posted on 11/24/2015 12:18:02 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: BigEdLB

Turkey’s becoming a fundamentalist Islamic State...


19 posted on 11/24/2015 12:29:32 PM PST by GOPJ (Bill Clinton needs to apologize for the rape of Juanita Broaddrick. Hillary needs to apologize too.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

First you have to define “we”. “We” elected a crypto-Muslim and not-so-crypto-Marxist whose administration is made up of Sunni Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers if not actual members. They have worked to cripple our military, our alliances, arm the enemies of Christianity and the West, open our borders, and if they could get away with it would disarm our population. So that “we” is now the one shown to the world as America. Turkey, under its current government, wants to resume the place the Ottomans held as claimants to the Sunni Caliphate and are covert supporters :of ISIL. Quite the mess “we” wrought back in 2008. Russia is Christian and defending Western values and “we” are effectively on the side of Islamic murder and conquest. It makes one vomit.


20 posted on 11/24/2015 12:53:19 PM PST by katana (Just my opinion)
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