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The Russians had it coming to them
Telegraph ^ | 24 Nov 15 | Con Coughlin

Posted on 11/24/2015 4:44:33 AM PST by elhombrelibre

If anyone is to blame for the shooting down of a Russian warplane on the Syrian border it is Vladimir Putin.

Ever since the Russian President came to power, we in the West have become used to the Russian military adopting an ever more aggressive stance towards the Nato alliance. Starting with the invasion of Georgia in 2008, which was launched in response to Tbilisi’s desire to join Nato, Russia’s military has been indulging in a clumsy attempt to intimidate Nato and its allies.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Russia; Syria
KEYWORDS: backstabbingturks; getreadytorumble; iran; nato; putin; russia; syria; turkey
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To: MNJohnnie

Sorr, should read

GREAT IDEA! I will even donate money for the airfare.


42 posted on 11/24/2015 5:26:13 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: McGruff

No, I don’t want war with anyone. Nor, do I want an Imperial Russia threatening the world.


43 posted on 11/24/2015 5:29:39 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution. Go Cruz.)
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To: tcrlaf

You can define yourself but you cannot define me. If you’re for Putin, that’s your business. I am not for him bullying all of the world. If he were sticking to an anti-ISIS agenda, this never would have happened.


44 posted on 11/24/2015 5:32:35 AM PST by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution. Go Cruz.)
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To: MNJohnnie

I think this is stalemate, Syria has to be broken apart and these counties around it must declare it a failed state; start administration and security operations including setting up new borders.


45 posted on 11/24/2015 5:36:21 AM PST by dila813
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To: elhombrelibre
Turkish “Maverick” engaged, saved Iceman....talk to me Goose
46 posted on 11/24/2015 5:55:51 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: Alberta's Child

Russia and USSR are not the same thing. Violating airspace with no hostile intent is hardly a reason for being shot down, unless you approve of Breshnev’s shooting down of KAL 007


47 posted on 11/24/2015 6:07:26 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000
I didn't support the Soviets in that incident, but I didn't blame them, either. And it's very telling that the U.S. didn't really press the Soviet Union on that one, especially when you consider that the victims of the Flight 007 incident included a sitting U.S. Congressman (Larry McDonald of Georgia).

If you violate another nation's airspace, you do so at your own risk.

48 posted on 11/24/2015 6:11:55 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: achilles2000
Russia and USSR are not the same thing. Violating airspace with no hostile intent is hardly a reason for being shot down, unless you approve of Breshnev’s shooting down of KAL 007

This was a stupid move on both Russia and Turky's parts but this was not a passenger jet it was a military aircraft and Russia has been playing with fire over and over doing this to many countries airspace's and has been warned over and over to knock it off. Someone was going to do this eventually. The really stupid thing was downing of the helicopter. I really hope that was the rebels and not Turkey.

49 posted on 11/24/2015 6:29:57 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron

The Turks knew that the fleeting presence of the plane posed no threat whatever to Turkey. The Turks are collaborating with terrorists, just as they impeded our effort during the Iraq war. I did read that the helicopter was shot down by “rebels” using a TOW missile WE provided. It wouldn’t surprise me if that were true because it appears that the Obama/Clinton Dept of State was illegally running weapons to Syrians.


50 posted on 11/24/2015 6:38:04 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: elhombrelibre
Remember KAL-007?

Now let's see how they like it!

51 posted on 11/24/2015 6:42:31 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: 1rudeboy

The Turkish military is nothing to laugh at. They have held down NATO’s right flank, the Caucasus frontier, and the Dardanelles choke point for Soviet and then Russian Federation access to the Mediterranean for just under seventy years. They are well trained, well equipped, and notoriously tough fighters. Unfortunately, the government has gone from being vigorously secular to militantly Sunni Islamic, still possessing that military and a mutual defense treaty with NATO. Unless the Russians were to decide to go nuclear, a regional fight with the Turks would be at best for them an even match.


52 posted on 11/24/2015 6:52:56 AM PST by katana (Just my opinion)
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To: patro
Bless his heart. It really upsets el-liberal when the Russians kill crazy Muslims. He is one of the few on FR who supports Turkey even though they are friendly toward ISIS. I wouldn't mind Istanbul being turned back into Constantinople.
53 posted on 11/24/2015 7:18:08 AM PST by ohioman
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Oh boy....time for popcorn now, for sure.

This isn’t popcorn time we are knee deep in this mess and we have an imbecilic as commander and chief. This is really bad.


54 posted on 11/24/2015 8:51:16 AM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: katana

Undermine the Turkish government and support the Kurds?


55 posted on 11/24/2015 4:34:54 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: elhombrelibre

Except that the plane was said to be four miles inside the Syrian border. I guess maybe if the Turks were using Common Core math, they could claim that the plane was on the border, otherwise....


56 posted on 11/24/2015 4:39:42 PM PST by Eva
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To: driftdiver

Erdogan himself said Islam has no qualifiers.”Islam is Islam.”IMHO Islam is as Islam does..


57 posted on 11/24/2015 8:19:47 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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