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Jonathan Pollard to leave jail on Friday
ynet ^ | 11//19/15 | Itamar Eichner

Posted on 11/19/2015 4:50:42 PM PST by Nachum

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To: Nachum

Is Pollard considered a hero in Israel?


41 posted on 11/19/2015 6:30:30 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: BobL
Sounds like the Democrats need some JEWISH MONEY. I guess this is supposed to make up for giving Iran nukes (or at least the ability to make them).

That is close to the mark I think.

42 posted on 11/19/2015 6:31:08 PM PST by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

Pollard should have been executed thirty years ago.

And yes, I know exactly how much damage that treasonous putrid SOB did to the USA, and am aware of the continuing repercussions that are still reverberating to this day, worldwide.

Both ISIS and Israel will “celebrate” his release.

The former USSR would declare a national holiday, if they still existed.
Despite Pollard’s and Israel’s attempts to prop them up...they (USSR) were still defeated.

Israel never admits that they traded Pollard’s information to the USSR,intentionally, to the detriment of the USA.

But stupid people think they are reliable allies.
The same stupid people think France and Germany were not actively undermining USA sanctions against Iran.

Are we all having fun yet?


43 posted on 11/19/2015 6:51:08 PM PST by sarasmom (TRUMP-Because there is no option to vote NONE OF THE ABOVE for the rest of them!)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

“A number of officials strongly suspect that the Israelis repackaged much of Pollard’s material and provided it to the Soviet Union in exchange for continued Soviet permission for Jews to emigrate to Israel. Other officials go further, and say there was reason to believe that secret information was exchanged for Jews working in highly sensitive positions in the Soviet Union.

A significant percentage of Pollard’s documents, including some that described the techniques the American Navy used to track Soviet submarines around the world, was of practical importance only to the Soviet Union. One longtime C.I.A. officer who worked as a station chief in the Middle East said he understood that “certain elements in the Israeli military had used it” — Pollard’s material — “to trade for people they wanted to get out,” including Jewish scientists working in missile technology and on nuclear issues.

Pollard’s spying came at a time when the Israeli government was publicly committed to the free flow of Jewish emigres from the Soviet Union. The officials stressed the fact that they had no hard evidence — no “smoking gun,” in the form of a document from an Israeli or a Soviet archive — to demonstrate the link between Pollard, Israel, and the Soviet Union, but they also said that the documents that Pollard had been directed by his Israeli handlers to betray led them to no other conclusion.

High-level suspicions about Israeli-Soviet collusion were expressed as early as December, 1985, a month after Pollard’s arrest, when William J. Casey, the late C.I.A. director, who was known for his close ties to the Israeli leadership, stunned one of his station chiefs by suddenly complaining about the Israelis breaking the “ground rules.” The issue arose when Casey urged increased monitoring of the Israelis during an otherwise routine visit, I was told by the station chief, who is now retired. “He asked if I knew anything about the Pollard case,” the station chief recalled, and he said that Casey had added, “For your information, the Israelis used Pollard to obtain our attack plan against the U.S.S.R. all of it. The coordinates, the firing locations, the sequences. And for guess who? The Soviets.” Casey had then explained that the Israelis had traded the Pollard data for Soviet emigres. “How’s that for cheating?” he had asked.

In subsequent interviews, former C.I.A. colleagues of Casey’s were unable to advance his categorical assertion significantly. Duane Clarridge, then in charge of clandestine operations in Europe, recalled that the C.I.A. director had told him that the Pollard material “goes beyond just the receipt in Israel of this stuff.” But Casey, who had many close ties to the Israeli intelligence community, hadn’t told Clarridge how he knew what he knew. Robert Gates, who became deputy C.I.A. director in April, 1986, told me that Casey had never indicated to him that he had specific information about the Pollard material arriving in Moscow. “The notion that the Russians may have gotten some of the stuff has always been a viewpoint,” Gates said, but not through the bartering of emigres. “The only view I heard expressed was that it was through intelligence operations” — the K.G.B.

In any event, there was enough evidence, officials told me, to include a statement about the possible flow of intelligence to the Soviet Union in Defense Secretary Weinberger’s top-secret declaration that was presented to the court before Pollard’s sentencing. There was little doubt, I learned from an official who was directly involved, that Soviet intelligence had access to the most secret information in Israel. “The question,” the official said, “was whether we could prove it was Pollard’s material that went over the aqueduct. We couldn’t get there, so we suggested” in the Weinberger affidavit that the possibility existed. Caution was necessary, the official added, for “fear that the other side would say that ‘these people are seeing spies under the bed.’ “

The Justice Department further informed Judge Robinson, in a publicly filed memorandum, that “numerous” analyses of Soviet missile systems had been sold by Pollard to Israel, and that those documents included “information from human sources whose identity could be inferred by a reasonably competent intelligence analyst. Moreover, the identity of the authors of these classified publications” was clearly marked.

A retired Navy admiral who was directly involved in the Pollard investigation told me, “There is no question that the Russians got a lot of the Pollard stuff. The only question is how did it get there?” The admiral, like Robert Gates, had an alternative explanation. He pointed out that Israel would always play a special role in American national security affairs. “We give them truckloads of stuff in the normal course of our official relations,” the admiral said. “And they use it very effectively. They do things worth doing, and they will go places where we will not go, and do what we do not dare to do.”

Nevertheless, he said, it was understood that the Soviet intelligence services had long since penetrated Israel. (One important Soviet spy, Shabtai Kalmanovitch, whose job at one point was to ease the resettlement of Russian emigrants in Israel, was arrested in 1987.) It was reasonably assumed in the aftermath of Pollard, the admiral added, that Soviet spies inside Israel had been used to funnel some of the Pollard material to Moscow.”

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44 posted on 11/19/2015 6:52:15 PM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better and safer America)
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To: DoodleDawg
Pollard was eligible to apply for parole after ten years.

He never applied for parole. This is one of the great unexplained mysteries of his case.

45 posted on 11/19/2015 6:54:32 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: dennisw; Nachum

“Few people will understand that this is Obama’s passive-aggressive way of screwing Israel.”

For some of us, it was the first thing that popped into our head.


46 posted on 11/20/2015 7:44:30 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read)
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To: NRx
If I had been the judge, immediately after the guilty verdict was pronounced I would have given him one hour to put his affairs in order to be followed by the offer of a blindfold and cigarette.

You prefer Iranian jurisprudence or Saudi?

47 posted on 11/20/2015 7:49:04 AM PST by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Sure. But here's where BiBi needs to remember America is more than Barack Obama. And this whole release is not sitting well with many, many of us who ordinarily cheer for Israel.

Blame in on Ronald Reagan, he was President when Pollard was sentenced to life with mandatory parole in 30 years, today.

48 posted on 11/20/2015 7:50:12 AM PST by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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To: sparklite2

Put pollard UNDER the jail.


49 posted on 11/20/2015 7:51:33 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: SJackson

No. If the Israeli’s celebrate this I will hold Benjamin Netanyahu responsible.

This could be a tipping point, so he best be cautious.


50 posted on 11/20/2015 7:53:53 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: ETL

Pollard should have been hung.


51 posted on 11/20/2015 7:55:56 AM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: SJackson

I favor the immemorial custom of law when dealing with traitors, which seems to have been observed by every civilized state throughout history.


52 posted on 11/20/2015 7:57:04 AM PST by NRx ( An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of Whiggery.)
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To: NRx

I do to. Charge them, convict them. If you don’t pursue charges you don’t get to execute anyone.


53 posted on 11/20/2015 8:05:57 AM PST by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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To: SJackson

Where did I say anything about not charging or convicting? I seem to recall I started off my comment with “...immediately after the guilty verdict was pronounced...”


54 posted on 11/20/2015 8:14:17 AM PST by NRx ( An unrepentant champion of the old order and determined foe of Whiggery.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Blame anyone you want. Reagan was President, but if you don’t want to blame him, you could blame the judge, an LBJ appointee, who sentenced him based on a memo from Casper Weinberger. Who you could blame for not asking for a harsher sentence. You could blame Joe DiGenova, who negotiated a plea deal with a lesser sentence. Can’t blame Ted Olson, his appeals failed. But to blame Netanyahu for a sentence handed down 30 years ago requires reasons unrelated to the American legal system.


55 posted on 11/20/2015 8:17:54 AM PST by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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To: sparklite2

He’ll be in Israel next week.


56 posted on 11/20/2015 8:21:57 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: NRx
I took your comment I favor the immemorial custom of law when dealing with traitors, which seems to have been observed by every civilized state throughout history. to mean you favored execution. Our system doesn't allow that for passing classified information to an ally without intent to harm the US. I don't particularly like the charge myself, but that's what he pled to. He served his time. Our system normally provides for release at that point. If I misunderstood your comment and you were referring to the sentence he received, I apologize.
57 posted on 11/20/2015 8:22:54 AM PST by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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To: Jarhead9297
Oh wow. This is far worse than I imagined. What he did share was a holy grail of information during its time. Wow I’m shocked I had no knowledge of this Thanks

Yeah, this guy did more harm than the Rosenbergs. Listen to Bibi today. It's sickening. Our "ALLY".

58 posted on 11/20/2015 11:23:58 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (Nessie ... Sasquatch ... The Free Syrian Army ...)
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To: SJackson

I didn’t blame Netanyahu for Pollard’s release. I simply warned him not to celebrate in public.


59 posted on 11/24/2015 5:45:50 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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