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Does France Have Enough Bombs to Smash ISIS?
National Interest ^ | November 17, 2015 | Dave Majumdar

Posted on 11/18/2015 4:35:16 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

The Armée de l'air will carry much of the burden as France goes to war with the Daesh terrorist group in Syria and Iraq following Friday’s attack on Paris.

In many ways, the Armée de l'air—the French air force—is probably the most capable air arm in Europe. Only the British Royal Air Force comes close to matching the overall capabilities of the Ad’A. It maintains a robust force of indigenous combat aircraft including the Dassault Rafafe and several versions of the Mirage 2000—including a variant dedicated to nuclear strike. Perhaps more importantly, the Ad’A also maintains a fleet of tankers, AWACS, various intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) platforms and strategic airlifters. Thus it is a full service air force that is capable of autonomous operations.

Indeed, autonomy lies at the heart of French military strategy with Paris’ nuclear forces always taking first priority. “Preservation of our strategic autonomy, which guarantees freedom of decision and action, is the first principle of our strategy,” reads the French government’s 2013 white paper on defense. “This strategic autonomy must allow France to take the initiative in operations that it may deem necessary to preserve its security interests.”

As such, the French air force places a very high priority on its nuclear forces, one senior U.S. Air Force officer who has flown with French told me. The French air force relies on a combination of tankers, excellent command and control links and stand-off nuclear weapons for that mission. In fact, the French forces flying the two-seat Mirage 2000N dedicated nuclear strike version of that venerable jet routinely practice for that role flying out Djibouti, but without the actual nuclear warhead. The key to French airborne nuclear deterrence is the Mach 3.0 capable Air-Sol Moyenne Portée missile with its TN-81 300KT warhead. “Their nuclear capability is the best part their power projection,” said the U.S. Air Force office. “They have a fantastic stand-off nuclear missile.”

There is also a dedicated two-seat Mirage 2000D strike version of the jet that flies conventional strike missions. France has roughly 61 of the Mirage 2000D bomber variants according to a French defense ministry document . The French air force also flies forty multirole versions of the Mirage 2000, according to the document. The jet can be armed with a host of laser and GPS-guided bombs as well as stand-off missiles.

But the most capable jet in the French air force inventory is the Dassault Rafale multirole fighter. The aircraft is very capable; it has good avionics and sensors. Particularly, the jet’s SPECTRA electronic warfare suite is excellent—which theoretically allows the Rafale to performance strike missions without the help of a jamming platform like the U.S. Navy EA-18G Growler. The Rafale was originally fitted with a RBE2 passive scanned array radar, but a new active array set is slowly being retrofitted. The service currently has about 91 jets in service.

While France has the necessary aircraft, there are questions if Paris has enough advanced targeting pods and precision-guided weapons in its inventory. During the 2011 campaign against Libya, there was a severe shortage of precision-guided munitions. Indeed, French precision-guided munitions stock were only restored to pre-Libya levels in 2013. It’s not clear if France has bulked up its stockpiles since that time in preparation for an intervention into Syria.

Moreover, during the Libya campaign, many U.S. Air Force aviators from the F-15E Strike Eagle community in particular were not very impressed with the accuracy of the French air strikes. But then the Thales Damocles targeting pods are known to have less than stellar performance compared to the latest generation of pods. France is currently developing a new pod called the TALIOS, but that system has yet to be fielded.

But there is the question if France has enough of the current Damocles pod in its inventory—certainly it didn’t in 2011. “They had to do a lot of buddy lasing with their old Mirages,” recalled the U.S. Air Force official. Specifically, Mirages were paired with Rafales—which is similar to how the French operated during their recent strikes against Raqqah. But the Air Force official noted that the French only dropped twenty bombs—or two per aircraft during Sunday’s sorties. “Twenty bombs isn't a whole lot.”

Overall, the French have very good capabilities, but they need to invest more on sensor pods and their inventory of weapons. France has always had good technical know how, but it needs to field those capabilities in sufficient quantity. The problem is that nationally produced hardware tends to be expensive—the Rafale, for example, is an expensive jet.

Nonetheless, the Armee de l’Air is a very capable force that should be able to pulverize Daesh—assuming it has enough bombs on hand.

Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for The National Interest. You can follow him on Twitter: @davemajumdar.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Syria
KEYWORDS: aerospace; france; isis; syria

One of these missiles (on the centerline) will put ISIS and the rest of the Arab world out of business for a century.

1 posted on 11/18/2015 4:35:16 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I think that a more fitting question is do they have enough of something *else* that begins with “b”?


2 posted on 11/18/2015 4:38:57 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The key to bombing is location, location, location. I know a real estate mogul that understands that.


3 posted on 11/18/2015 4:39:26 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Does France Have Enough Bombs to Smash ISIS?

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Their new found BFFs, the Russians, will give them some if they run low.


4 posted on 11/18/2015 4:40:12 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Bill and Hillary Clinton are the penicillin-resistant syphilis of our political system.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Is smashing ISIS the proper focus for France? Shouldn’t they be engaged in mass deportations? The attacks didn’t happen in the ME. Sure, smash ISIS, that needs to be done, but securing their homeland looks like the real challenge.


5 posted on 11/18/2015 4:42:27 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: sukhoi-30mki

That plane just has a really sexy profile.

Something about delta wing aircraft have always appealed to me.

I thought the F-16XL was quite possibly the sexiest American airframe to never go into production besides the XB-70.


6 posted on 11/18/2015 4:43:04 AM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bombs cannot put ISIS out of business.

Only Christian men with flamethrowers and bayonets can do that.


7 posted on 11/18/2015 4:43:40 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at al)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

——probably the most capable air arm in Europe——

I would argue that Russia posses the most capable air arm in Europe. Not only that but the French don’t need enough bombs to destroy ISIS, they only need enough bombs to supplement the task Russia is already carrying out.


8 posted on 11/18/2015 4:47:41 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trumping.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

France should start bombing Belgium. That’s where those terrorists came from.


9 posted on 11/18/2015 4:50:17 AM PST by McGruff (Trump-Cruz 2016. Make America Great Again.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

“besides the XB-70.”

I’d love to take a flight in a Valkyrie


10 posted on 11/18/2015 4:53:10 AM PST by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: McGruff

11 posted on 11/18/2015 4:53:54 AM PST by Daffynition (*Gun control is a tool to make innocents pay the price for the guilty* W.LaPierre)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If France runs out of munitions, they can buy some from Putin, he’s been storing stuff for a decade...


12 posted on 11/18/2015 5:00:59 AM PST by Netz (```+)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
F-15SE
13 posted on 11/18/2015 5:03:04 AM PST by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

The British Avro Vulcan was a nice looking delta wing bomber too.


14 posted on 11/18/2015 5:03:58 AM PST by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
One of these missiles (on the centerline) will put ISIS and the rest of the Arab world out of business for a century.

No it won't. The enemy are already inside the wire. Are the French willing to bomb the Muslim enclaves outside Paris.

15 posted on 11/18/2015 5:08:25 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Yawn. More war porn. I don’t want to see any soldiers sent to die for Arabs. The lesson of Paris is NO MUSLIM IMMIGRATION. What is the point of killing them over there, while letting far more IN over here, to kill us in our cities later on>


16 posted on 11/18/2015 5:19:05 AM PST by montag813
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Mach 3 standoff missile with 300 KT thermonuclear warhead.

While U.S.fighter delivered nukes are 50 year old gravity bombs.

Which do you think has the better chance to get to its target instead of being shot down?


17 posted on 11/18/2015 5:32:17 AM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Jim Noble

Yes and RUTHLESSLY applied, no prisoners and no ROE’s!


18 posted on 11/18/2015 6:24:04 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

France has nukes. Do the have the balls to use them on Mecca?

Or will they just end up surrendering again?


19 posted on 11/18/2015 7:49:39 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: JimRed

Time to re-open the bomb making factories—more work for French patriots. Maybe the UK or Ger. could sell them some? If they run out of regular bombs they could turn to tactical Nukes?


20 posted on 11/18/2015 8:42:42 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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