Posted on 11/13/2015 2:57:32 AM PST by Fhios
I read earlier today that part of the Campus million student march and one of their "demands" is a change in the constitution to benefit black people.
Two years ago I thought the Article V process was going too slow. Now I'm thinking that unless the Scope of the Article V convention is specific I.E changes to the 17th amendment regarding the election of Senators for Congress, then I rather not go forward at all.
What happens if say NY passes the Article V but includes demands for revisions to say the 2nd amendment, or VA or IL demanding changes to the 1st amendment?
If all the states are not on the same page and targeted within scope, then I just as soon as pass on the Article V.
In no way shape or form do I want even the potential for a full blown constitutional convention, not with our current party apparatus. We'll just get bulldozed over by the progressive and media. Are any of the Candidates specifically on board?
However with more individual States having conservative governors and conservative locks on their bicameral house's, an Article V can be done and can be limited? I think Kentucky is the only unicameral state.
If the Article V is limited in scope, it will be in a protective shell. It cannot be influenced from outside, and the scope cannot be changed from within, even by unanimous consent. I want the conventioneers, and their source legislatures, whoever they may be to sign off on that. Hell, even that doesn't sound safe at this point in time.
My question is: Is the Article V proposals coming from the States being limited in Scope? Or are conservatives going in 'at risk' to being coopted and sabotaged from outside and within?
The article came from WND so get your salt shaker.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/black-student-group-vows-bloodshed-over-constitution/
Just who is it that is invested in the status quo. Moreover, no one in their right mind would want a civil war, and to suggest such is desired by any here is a huge stretch.
Art in Idaho, would you please ping your excellent list of reference links to Fhios?
Not desired by very likely depending on who gets in the Whitehut next year.
IOW, like the 2A, Article V grants nothing. Both are antecedent to the Constitution.
At this moment our once federal government, one supposedly limited by enumerated powers and charged with defending our natural rights is making war against the sovereign people. For all practical purposes it exercises plenary powers, many of which are identical to the usurpations we accused George III of in 1776.
To oppose the Article V state amendment process is to oppose our right to frame our government to suit our purposes and happiness.
It was the practical impossibility of amending the hapless Articles of Confederation that prompted the states to gather in convention.
Please define a “runaway convention.”
I don’t wish to presume that you oppose the very existence of our Constitution.
Proposal:
There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.
Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.
Disposal:
Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:
The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.
Ratification:
Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.
Forbidden Subjects:
Article V contains two explicitly forbidden subjects and one implicitly forbidden subject.
Explicitly forbidden:
Implicitly forbidden:
Reference works:
Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers
State Initiation of Constitutional Amendments: A Guide for Lawyers and Legislative Drafters
Practical impossibility or not, you make my point: the states authorized delegates to “amend” the Articles, not throw them out.
Not true. Each state delegation arrived with commissions. There is for instance, equality of state suffrage in the senate because the small states rejected Madison’s plan of proportional state representation.
There was going to be a federal convention regardless of whether congress called for one or not.
What makes you think the 2nd Amendment is safe now? It's 5-4 on the Supreme Court already. What if 0bama gets to replace one of the conservatives? Will that help?
The risks of a Convention are low. The risks of the status quo are near 100%.
For those who think the Article V process is too risky, I ask, "What other options do you see?"
To summarize from a previous post by GraceG:
1. Elect More Republicans - Failed due to RINO/Uni-party confluence.
2. Article V Convention of States to propose Amendments - Needed to try to take power from the federal government back to the states and reel in the federal leviathan.
3. State Nullification - Last ditch effort to try to take power back from the federal monster, though by this point it may be too late.
4. State Secession - Could either end up peaceably like the breakup of the Czechoslovakia in 1993 or a brutal:
5. Civil War II like the first one.... The longer we wait on #2, the more likely #3, then #4 and finally #5. .
So, do we do nothing and just wait for # 5?
Quick review: We need 34 states to pass an application, then Congress shall, by law, call a Convention of States as soon as it receives applications from 2/3 of the State Legislatures. That's 34 states. (So far both legislative chambers of 4 States, {Alabama, Alaska, Florida and Georgia}, have completely passed their resolutions and 36 state legislative chambers or bodies have filed or passed resolutions.) Amendments are proposed and voted on at the convention. Each Amendment must be ratified by ¾ of the states in order to become part of the US Constitution. That's 38 states.
"There are far more political and legal constraints on a runaway convention than on a runaway Congress." - Robert Natelson
Most FReepers are aware of these links, but I post anyway for review and for people new to Article V. It is our responsibility to make Article V the most understood aspect of the US Constitution.
****Please see this summary video from Alabama first: Convention of States - Alabama Way to go Alabama! A great introduction!
Rep. Bill Taylor introduces a Convention of States
Convention of States Live! with Mike Farris
The Case for an Article V Convention. Great explanation of an Article V convention to the Massachusetts State Legislature.
**** Convention of States Lots of information here.
Learn about the Convention of States The Problem, the Solution and the Strategy
Call a Convention A call for a Convention of States
Missouri state senator delivers amazing testimony (video) Reasoned speech on why we need an Article V Convention.
Article V Project to Restore Liberty Another good source.
Convention of States model Resolution
A Summary of Mark Levin’s Proposed Amendments by Jacquerie
Chapter 1 of Mark Levin’s Book, The Liberty Amendments
Mark Levin, Constitution Article V, and the Liberty Amendments
Mark Levin: “The Liberty Amendments†- Complete Sean Hannity Special + other Links
List of Mark Levin You Tube Videos
Citizens for Self-Governance: Convention of States Project Youtube hub - Lots of educational videos here
Mark Levin Article V, Liberty Amendments youtube video hub
Three hour video of C-Span interview with Mark Levin
*** Mark Levin's ALEC Speech, Dec 4, 2014
Gaining Steam? Nearly 100 Lawmakers Descend on Mount Vernon to Talk Convention of States The beginning.
Curing Federal Dysfunction by Constitutional Amendment: A Primer Professor Rob Natelson
Our American Constitution, Article V Rob Natelson's Article V articles
We can fight the uniparty! States, the Natural Second Party by Jacquerie
Convention to Propose Amendments to the United States Constitution
The Other Way to Amend the Constitution: The Article V Constitutional Convention Amendment Process
Friends of Article V Convention Links
The Indiana Statute that will Govern their Delegates
Congress' Present Duty to Call a Convention:
Congress' Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part I)
Congress' Present Duty to Call a convention. (Part II)
Congress' Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part III)
Congress' Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part IV)
Congress' Present Duty to Call a Convention. (Part V)
Congress' Failure to Call an Amendments Convention. (Part VI)
Ulysses at the Mast: Democracy, Federalism, and the Sirens' Song of the Seventeenth Amendment by Jay Bybee. Repeal the 17th! Shorter Abstract here: Ulysses at the Mast, one page Abstract
****For those of you that still have doubts about the Article V process, please review: Responses To Convention Of States Opposition My initial concerns were resolved after reading these articles. My attitude now is Go For It!
Sarah Palin: Debunking the myths of a Convention of States
A Single-Subject Convention Addresses the "runaway convention" fear.
John Birch Society Denies Its History and Betrays Its Mission The original Birchers were for an Article V Convention.
Update: Convention of States by the numbers The current State count
Convention of States Gaining Momentum
Article V Handbook - for State Legislators An important resource.
**** State Legislators Article V Caucus State Legislators, Join up at this site!
Most State Legislatures are in session now. Send this list of links to your State Representatives and Senators here: Contact your State Legislators.
Sample Letter to state Representatives regarding the Convention of States Project and also, Talking Points.
Excellent Article V Letter to a State Assemblyman by Jacquerie
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." - Edmund Burke.
Let’s all work together to get this going!
To oppose the Article V state amendment process is to oppose our right to frame our government to suit our purposes and happiness.
The federal government is making war with us by its lawless behavior and various usurpations. I don't think the typical politician in Washington D.C. realizes how close the sovereign citizens are to outright rebellion. We are hoping things can be resolved peacefully by pursuit of the Article V convention process.
The “runaway convention” scare is the intellectually-laziest objection that can be raised against an Article V convention.
When Mark’s book came out, Phyllis Schlafly dug into her filing cabinet and pulled out one of her yellowed old columns, written forty-some years ago, against a Constitutional Convention—something the Left was hot for at the time. Of course, it had nothing to do with an Article V convention.
I haven’t seen anything from Phyllis Schlafly since on that subject.
This is what Mark Levin proposed in one of his books.
It is unfortunate and indicative of the interest level nationally, IMHO, that we can only get 57 comments on an Article V thread. As evidence I submit the F1-GP thread ongoing at over 2000 comments.
We need to deport all illegal aliens and almost all non-citizens. We need to deport huge numbers of Muslims and Hispanics, because they vote pro-abortion. We need to close the borders for the foreseeable future.
We need to enact and enforce draconian laws against vote fraud in any form.
We need de-Marxification, along the lines of the de-Nazification carried out in Germany. Academia, the churches, and the news media should be cleansed first.
Since none of these things will be done, there will instead be mass murder, violence in the streets, etc., all engineered by the Democrat party and the Republican “elite.”
What about what I posited? That zero and whichever D follows him will simply ignore any law.
zero has a phone and a pen, and so will the next D in office. They don’t need no stinking laws.
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