President Obama addresses workers (White House photo)
Posted on 11/05/2015 10:19:10 PM PST by Perseverando
President Obama addresses workers (White House photo)
UNITED NATIONS – The Obama administration’s release Thursday of the more than 2,000 pages of the text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, known more commonly as Obamatrade, has prompted a rash of criticism from both the political left and the right.
Critics charge the pact undermines U.S. sovereignty by establishing a secret, unaccountable TransPacific Partnership Commission with sweeping regulatory powers over 40 percent of the world’s economy while sending jobs abroad.
“This trade agreement would allow foreign corporations to challenge our health, safety and environmental protections in a foreign tribunal outside our legal system, and it would weaken those bedrock safeguards in the United States,†said Jake Schmidt, international program director at the Natural Resources Defense Council. “While there are some positive conservation measures, the agreement’s substantial shortcomings should lead Congress to reject it.â€
Chapter 28 of the TPP agreement, titled “Dispute Settlement,†specifies that trade disputes will be adjudicated by a three-person panel in accordance with international law, including any World Trade Organization obligations that have been written into the various sections of the TPP agreement.
AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, head of a union known for supporting Democratic Party political candidates and causes, said that from what he and his colleagues have reviewed so far, “we are deeply disappointed that our policy recommendations and those of our trade reform allies in the environmental, consumer, public health, global development and business sectors were largely ignored.â€
Rick Manning, president of Americans for Limited Government, said the TPP “will continue to outsource American jobs overseas, fail to do anything about currency manipulation, and once adopted, will create an international, unelected commission with broad authority to implement and interpret the agreement without any votes of Congress.â€
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Would someone quit calling him the president of the United States!...../s
Hey that’s an improvement, you have at least allowed for the possibility of Him to actually be noted as a Supreme Being not just as a byword.
By the way, before I “troll” on my way, I am complimented that you have chosen to ape my tag, of course in your inimitable way.
Had to look up "communitarian" but I agree with the picture you drew - he realizes that community means something and rallies his own "neighborhood" as a base to expand from. Trump also doesn't wear his religion on his sleeve, but he appears to have a God-concept in his life.
I just love the idea of Congress surrendering powers to a bunch of Statist drones disguised as business men/women. Administration law is the best idea ever while "privatizing" AL with all these international Investor-State Dispute Settlement is even better!!! This trade pact will just creates ANOTHER corporate “bureaucracy” to usher in economic Utopia. Can't wait./s
You still can’t let go of the lesser of two evils.
The House members and the Senate did NOT vote for the lesser of two evils. Can you understand that? They voted for who they PREFERRED. Right now, since the Democrats don’t have the numbers, THEY are the lesser of two evils. If they attain the majority, the Republicans will be the lesser of two evils.
How many Tea Party candidates have been elected and went to Congress and immediately flipped?
Cruz voted for this.
I agree with your theory and I think this is another reason: many people have been threatened and their families have been threatened. They have been told that they can make noises but not to cross the line.
We have a thoroughly corrupt system now and it’s all about special interests and bringing on the New World Order.
As long as the USA is strong and sovereign they can’t fully implement their agenda.
Those so inclined might pray for Donald Trumps safety.
And you were doing so well ignoring me too. Such a pity.
Actually you should feel complimented. Existential cage Theory is designed for people like you.
No and I never will until people stop voting for their problems. Because that makes my life, and the lives of those I care about, worse.
And I will continue talking about it until it stops or I ride lightning. And to be perfectly straight up with you, either way is fine with me. Lesser evil got us where we are. If you are good with more of it, you are the problem.
For the very first time in my life, I donated to a presidential campaign last week. Yup. Go Cruz!
Cruz isn’t lacking for money. People usually have to voice support of someone before they send them cash to begin with. Cart before horse and all that.
Cruz voted for the legislation giving the president "fast track" authority as it regards this particular trade deal. This is the same authority that every other president in the past 50+ years has had. I've posted about this quite a bit here on FR, as there is a lot of misunderstanding exactly what it is, and what the vote on it meant.
From a previous post I made on it...
Treaties are hard to get approved under our form of government. That's good, because it was designed to be that way from the beginning. The problem with negotiating a trade treaty, or any other kind of treaty for that matter is that you can't submit the text to congress if they congress can then amend the terms of the treaty as a part of the ratification process. Any change that congress might make would mean the treaty has to be resubmitted in this amended form to the other signatories for this to be ratified. There is just no way to do that without the entire process becoming completely unraveled. So instead of doing that, what happens is the President gets negotiating authority which basically sets the ground rules for the ratification of the treaty. Generally this means that it will be submitted to the congress for a flat up/down vote without amendments. That's what the TPP vote was about. This is something that every president has had for the last hundred years.
It is the exact same kind of authority that a President Cruz would want as well, and I think that he believed it would be wrong to vote against that authority even with the current occupant, and then ask for the same kind of authority if he were to be come President. It's a case of not wanting to be justifiably called hypocritical on the issue.
WHat I disagree with regarding the TPP deal was that over the past many years congress has accepted the legal fiction that these negotiated treaties are "agreements" instead of what they are, which means that because it is not a "treaty" it doesn't require a 2/3rd supermajority in order to be ratified. To me, this is just flat wrong, but it seems that this level of honesty is just simply non-existant in today's feral government at any level.
What Cruz should have done, is supported the ratification ground rules of getting a straight up/down vote without amendment, but opposed the fiction of it being called an "agreement" instead of the treaty that it is, and thus requiring the 2/3rd threshold for ratification.
You can always imagine you have me (or really, the Savior I am exalting) in a cage of your own existential construction. That’s fine if you insist. He keeps on busting out of all such cages. Roarrrrrrrr. Till you either share in Him or else you commit to the other guy. Your choice!
“If you are good with more of it, you are the problem.”
You see, that is the problem with your obsession. Nobody, NOBODY, likes the lesser of two evils. But life if full of hard choices.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” Staying home and waiting for the perfect candidate, from your point of view, will never pan out. Reagan made some mistakes, but I still voted for him.
In the Old Testament, God gave David two choices —destruction at the hands of enemies, or destruction from the hand of God. David chose the “lesser of the two evils”, destruction from the hand of God.
Excellent point — EXCELLENT.
Sometimes it really is the only viable possibility, to eat the humble pie.
If we do, and eat it humbly and with thanks for what good it was, maybe the next food up will be the strawberry pie. The point is WHO is in charge and it ain’t us... we can’t cage that Lion no matter how much we try to do it with lyin’. But He will gladly love us. We have to let Him do it His way however. He’s smarter even than Norm and that’s difficult because Norm is Awesome.
Yeah... the fundamental problem is that we think it’s our show, that the good Lord is just some byword, some metaphor for... what? Our better instincts? But what would tell us which instincts are better, if there were no judge but ourselves to try to sort it out?
And you might be up against a brick wall when you expect Norm to believe in any kind of living God like you and I do. Though it’s good to keep reminding the Awesome one that there is such a being, who is even more Awesome.
We may have done stupid things to the point of needing to be chastened. That doesn’t mean God has shut the door to better possibilities in the future. But next time, educated by the chastening, we might be more alert to travel through that door when it counts. If we looked at our past, we would not see some museum of plaster saints that got shoved away by some enemy that we were too pure to consort with, without our active participation. We’d see door after door that we shunned while God was saying, go here! go here! So now we have only the crappy doors left and God says don’t just sit there, choose something, but go.
Oh, and “existential cage theory” = “a whole bunch of arrant BS intended to befuddle.”
Not a matter of like. I could care less what you or anyone likes. What matters is what voters DO.
When you and your likeminded lesser evils go to a booth and ‘not like’ another lesser evil idiot into office, we get the government we literally do have today. That you bitch long and loud about.
But that you put there with your ‘not like’ vote.
A 2 year old has enough sense to stop licking the flag pole after is tongue freezes to it a couple times. You lack even that sense of self preservation. It’s not a good thing. It is damaging. For everyone.
You had choices just as I did. We all do. You consistently choose poorly. Our liberal GOP reflects that. The result is liberal Republicans siding with Democrats. You have no right whatsoever to complain. None. Not only have you done this repeatedly, you lack even the fig leaf of not knowing in advance who and what your lesser evil choices were as people. as politicians and as problems. Because A: The internet exists and B: we told you outright.
You bulled ahead voting for GOP garbage no matter WHAT anyone told you. And when everything you were warned about came to pass, you bitch at the people that told you. Boy THAT is a mature intelligent thing to do.
Simple math. If you vote for a liberal republican, you get evil. Period.
The corker bill? I don’t think so.
“When you and your likeminded lesser evils go to a booth and ‘not like’”
What makes you think I vote for people I don’t like?
I don’t like Jeb! and since I don’t like him, I would not under any circumstance vote for him.
Take Romney and Obama. Romney was not my first choice. However, Obama, being who he is, makes most anyone look a lot better. So, desperate to get rid of Obama, who has pledged to “transform” (destroy) the country, I voted for Romney.
I would not ever vote for a pro-choice candidate, Romney pledged pro-life, so he got my vote. If Romney had come out for pro-choice, I would not have voted for him.
” You consistently choose poorly.”
I voted for Reagan. Was that choosing poorly? How do you know that I choose poorly? You have no idea how I vote. You must be insane.
“And when everything you were warned about came to pass, you bitch at the people that told you. Boy THAT is a mature intelligent thing to do.”
Incredible nonsense.
Again, I don’t vote for a liberal Republican or a liberal Democrat.
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