Posted on 11/02/2015 8:26:38 PM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
We did.
I’m pretty sure that the M4 has the 3 rd burst, not full auto like the 16.
except shoot as fast, as far, and as accurately.
“I thought the Marines had sniper units like the Army.”
They do. But snipers aren’t organic to a rifle platoon. And even when they are, a sniper or two is no substitute for the rifle fire of a squad or platoon.
The recent Hollywood movies have done a real disservice to what reality is.
Saying the Marine rifleman can get by on an inadequate rifle because they have a few snipers in the corps, is like saying the Army really doesn’t need infantry today because they have Special Forces.
It just doesn’t work that way.
“pretty sure that the M4 has the 3 rd burst, not full auto like the 16.”
USMC M-16s went 3 round burst in the 80s with A2
0331 supports the m4 role in sustained suppressive fire
Thanks. I stand corrected. So the M4 is no different than the AR 15 with a collapsible stock?
M4 is a lighter, shorter, collapsed stock version. But just google “M4 problems”. It doesn’t handle heat very well, and that leads to many more failures.
In tests it has about 3 times the failure rate of a full size AR-15.
That makes no sense. It's full automatic that's wasteful. You can burn up all the ammo you can carry in a couple of minutes on rock-and-roll.
Publicly the Marines are going to say whatever they think their Brass wants to hear. To do otherwise would be a career ender.
I agree with that. The enthusiasm is just no there.
Sans full auto and the magazine, the M1 was probably the best battle rifle ever made.
I’m a Chris Kyle fan. I bought his book and have the T-shirt from his org that I wear when I go to gun shows. My uncle taught me sniping. I have a 22-250 Savage varmint rifle. I go to eastern Washington and hunt prairie dogs. My longest shot was a bit over 600 yards. I’ve read lots of books on sniping from WW1 through Iraq. I think they’re the real backbone of the military in that snipers have the back of the troops on the front line.
“0331 supports the m4 role in sustained suppressive fire”
0311 and 21 doesn’t. It has three times the failure rate of a standard weight A3, and it is way more prone to overheat. The Battle of Wanat is a fine example. Numerous overheated M4s failed.
I thought it was rich that a 0341 was explaining that the M4 can do anything a 16 can.
If I was carrying a mortar, id want the lightest thing extant too.
Its even what a mortarman needs. But grunts don’t.
I read Chris Kyle’s book. I never believe what Hollyweird does in its movies, to me it’s just entertainment. Pity that some people think it’s real stuff. I enjoy going to the gun range and I also go to eastern Washington to hunt prairie dogs. My longest shot was a bit over 600yds which is nothing to a Marine who normally shoots further. But then, you don’t know prairie dogs.
Ping
Totally love(d) my M4, until my stupid nephew dropped it off his boat into the ocean. In spite of that indecent, I’ll still let him borrow a gun, every now and again.
Does the piston AR compensate for these failures?
Quite a bit of velocity lost there. It will be most evident in the difference in terminal ballistics at shorter ranges.
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