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The SEALs must return to the shadows
US Defense Watch ^ | November 2, 2015 | Ray Starmann

Posted on 11/02/2015 12:33:38 AM PST by pboyington

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To: pboyington

Notice the line about Col. Beckwith modeling Delta Force on the “Famous S.A.S” — did the author ever realize that the fact that British SAS is indeed famous blows his entire argument?

This information might be a little bit dated but DELTA was initially formed for a specific purpose — hostage rescue. They were focused on anti-terror. It is therefore a relatively small unit of hand picked Special Forces operators. Comparing DELTA to the SEAL Team 6 (DEVGRU) is more accurate than comparing them to the SEALs in general.


21 posted on 11/02/2015 3:56:11 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: snoringbear

Well, keep in mind that Seals are all enlisted.

Most are, but they have officers also. I seem to recall CDR Marcinko.


22 posted on 11/02/2015 3:57:29 AM PST by opbuzz (Right way, wrong way, Marine way)
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To: pboyington

Who the heck eats prime rib with A-1 steak sauce?


23 posted on 11/02/2015 4:32:16 AM PST by golux
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To: snoringbear
Well, keep in mind that Seals are all enlisted.

Nope.

24 posted on 11/02/2015 4:35:24 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (I miss my dad.)
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To: snoringbear

The seals are not all enlisted, where did you get that idea?


25 posted on 11/02/2015 4:36:47 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: pboyington

This morning on FOX I saw 3 former-military on a panel discussing Trump’s VA reform ideas. Two Marines and a former SEAL. The SEAL was wearing a miniature gold trident on his jacket lapel. The others were not wearing USMC eagle globe and anchors.

In the specwar community, this is called “Selling your trident” and it’s frowned upon.

30 years ago when I was a frogman, we were called, “The Silent Option.” Now it’s the option that won’t shut up, and goes looking for cameras. ENOUGH ALREADY!


26 posted on 11/02/2015 5:01:39 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Sir_Ed

People need to replace the curly quotes and em dashes when they post.


27 posted on 11/02/2015 5:02:37 AM PST by Lisbon1940 (No full-term governors)
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To: spetznaz

Another factor: Expansion teams. 40 years ago there were 2 SEAL Teams, one on each coast, and 4 UDTs (which were NOT the same as SEAL Teams, even though they shared common basic training.)

Now I have lost count of how many SEAL Teams there are, but it’s double digits. Now, I think of them as “Sea Rangers.” Totally different from when I was in. We NEVER contemplated 50-man ops, for example. That was a Ranger op by definition.

Football analogy: What would happen to quality if, over a decade, the NFL expanded from 32 to 150 pro football teams?


28 posted on 11/02/2015 5:04:40 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: pboyington

When I served in the USN, it was standing doctrine for SEAL ops that if any word at all ever made it to print, the mission was considered compromised.


29 posted on 11/02/2015 5:06:20 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: central_va
SAS/SBS all know that there will be no parades, no public acclamation. That's not what they enlisted for. They know that they have the thanks of a greatful nation, at least most of them are thankful.

Socom should not be a recruiting poster.

The blowhard at the end of the bar making the noise is a distraction, hoping that something he says might allow him to get lucky with the girls, or at least another beer. He isn't the real thing. Look for the quiet man at the back of the pub savoring on with his friends. Was he? You'll never know.

Cheers, Mates...........

30 posted on 11/02/2015 5:24:41 AM PST by North Coast Conservative (It's time to start playing cowboys and muslims.)
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To: Travis McGee

Army Rangers: The quiet professionals. You really don’t hear much from them...which is good.


31 posted on 11/02/2015 6:03:56 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: jdsteel

Damn right.


32 posted on 11/02/2015 6:06:37 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Joe Brower

Yep, unless media was part of the plan from the start.


33 posted on 11/02/2015 6:07:13 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: ozzymandus

It has gotten to be like a fad. They should have stayed in the shadows like Mossad. They can be more effective that way.

Dare I say something has broken down in their leadership and selection?

There is no doubt they have earned credit for what they do.

There are more shadowy organizations though.


34 posted on 11/02/2015 6:22:38 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: North Coast Conservative

All of you guys are WET-

the Seals are BAD-ASs I got a chance to to meet 1 !

Jesse “”the Body”” Ventura!- he was so secret...
he cannot talk about his missions- (Somewhere in olangapo
Philippine’s) he now needs all of our help ferreting
out the bad guys- conspiracy theory show-

While he lives “off the Grid” -A-la mad max—

lol/SARC- just had to through this out there


35 posted on 11/02/2015 6:27:19 AM PST by mj1234
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To: Travis McGee
"ENOUGH ALREADY!"

I agree. Dial it back guys. We all now know about your abilities; you don't need to flaunt it, especially with Tridents on your civvies.

36 posted on 11/02/2015 6:48:45 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: pboyington

Recon rules.


37 posted on 11/02/2015 6:56:21 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: A Navy Vet

Yeah, that’s over the top. The trident is not bling. That has all the class of Mr. T wearing a giant gold dollar sign.


38 posted on 11/02/2015 7:55:45 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Media? You mean our elected representatives in Washington might just use the SEALs as another political prop and PR mechanism?

Gosh, Matt, just because Obama and his fellow travelers have 're-purposed' every other federal institution and alphabet-soup agency doesn't mean that's infected the military! < /S>

39 posted on 11/02/2015 8:43:38 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Travis McGee

“In the specwar community, this is called “Selling your trident” and it’s frowned upon.”

Used to be but not anymore it seems. There is a Team 6 guy here in Colorado that has a huge truck and loads of bling on it stating he was a member, including his plate “SEAL6”. The gate to his “secret compound” has all kinds of bling on it too. He always travels with some poor sucker frog that carries his bags. I think you might know who this individual is.


40 posted on 11/02/2015 8:49:42 AM PST by CodeToad (Stupid kills, but not nearly enough!)
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