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Ok, the kind reference in the first sentence to ChuckYou Schumer is off-putting. Please get past that, as I did. Paul Craig Roberts can wander off the reservation a little from time to time, but I'm afraid this is right on the money.

I noticed el Rushbo also was taken aback at the statistic that 51% of us are now on incomes <$30,000

I'm not a sympathizer with the 99% movement (or whatever Occupy was banging on about), but this piece does illustrate how the country is now organized to funnel wealth to a minority of non-productive plutocrats (Financial Services, Entertainment/Sports, Medicine, Politicians). This cannot continue, at some point the social stresses inherent will tear it apart.

Yes, there are some exceptions. I heard a very interesting interview with Charles Koch this week, a great example of someone profiting mightily from actually engaging in productive industries. But for every Charles Koch (or Donald Trump) how many Warren Buffets, George Soroses, Tom Steyers or other manipulators are out there?

1 posted on 10/31/2015 7:49:39 AM PDT by Riflema
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To: Riflema

In May, 2006, my job at Dell went to China.

I wish I’d read his article.


2 posted on 10/31/2015 7:57:16 AM PDT by LoneStar42 (Turn right.)
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To: Riflema

We’re skipping past the Second World? (That was the communist sphere, for the record.)


3 posted on 10/31/2015 7:57:36 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Riflema
The scarcity of jobs and the low pay are direct consequences of jobs offshoring.

I believe this is factually incorrect. The single biggest factor in the scarcity of jobs is the increased productivity and elimination of entire classes of jobs that has resulted from automation.

I don't know the answer to this problem, but I'm not the type to take advice on any matter from a guy who collaborates with a jackass like Chuck Schumer to get his point across.

P.S. Chuck Schumer has been one of the leading advocates in Washington for unfettered immigration and open borders. Why doesn't the author mention the impact of this idiotic policy on unemployment and American wages?

4 posted on 10/31/2015 7:59:44 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: Riflema

Hey Paul I know! Let’s erect a high protective tariff, gut our foreign trade, and make domestic prices shoot through the sky. That’ll solve it.


5 posted on 10/31/2015 8:00:01 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Riflema
When college graduates can't find employment because their jobs have been offshored or given to foreigners on work visas,...

This is correct but not complete.

If the title of your degree ends with the word "Studies", your job wasn't offshored; it never existed.

12 posted on 10/31/2015 8:25:05 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Riflema
The scarcity of jobs and the low pay are direct consequences of jobs offshoring.

Negative effects on employment lead to decline in the division of labor, which leads to decline of total productive ability, which leads to reduced production of capital goods, which leads to less accumulation of capital goods,which leads to decline in physical capital intensiveness, which leads to decline on productivity of labor, which directly reduces real wage rates.

13 posted on 10/31/2015 8:35:00 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Riflema
US On Road To Third World — Paul Craig Roberts

Given his history, - Would you fly on a plane if Baraq Hussein 0bama was the pilot? Yet we continue, thanks to those worthless SOBs in congress, to let him crash dive The Country toward oblivion!

14 posted on 10/31/2015 8:47:25 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Charter Member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy and Lifelong Enemy of Hillary Clinton!)
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To: Riflema

America has become the hamburger flipping job country. Around here that is about the only thing that has advertising for jobs up. Oh, and truck drivers. Earn $45,000 the first year as a big truck driver the adds say.


31 posted on 10/31/2015 11:25:54 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Read 1 Corinthians 15: verses 1-4. This is the Gospel of Grace, the ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED!!)
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To: Riflema

This is all by design.

This is what they want and believe to be the solution.

They actually celebrate this.

This is their theme song.

Listen to the words and look at the celebration.

Their “Utopia” is a world without foundation as they reject all certainty.

David Byrne Road To Nowhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARhmeG691Xg


34 posted on 10/31/2015 11:42:50 AM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Riflema; LoneStar42; Olog-hai; Alberta's Child; DuncanWaring; rbg81; GOPJ; mjp; ...
FYI: This PCR article was published in 2004. George Reisman published a withering critique of it back then.

A Reply to Schumer and Roberts

Charles Schumer, the senior senator from New York, and Paul Craig Roberts, an assistant secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration, have written an article in The New York Times of January 6, 2004, in which they question the benefits of free trade in conditions in which there is mobility of capital and thus effective mobility of labor, as well as mobility of goods.

They cite the case of a New York Securities firm that plans to replace its American software engineers who earn $150,000 per year with equally competent Indian software engineers who earn only $20,000 per year and who modern telecommunications equipment will enable to work as effectively as if they were physically present in the United States rather than in India. The also cite the fact that the number of radiologists in this country is expected to decline significantly because M.R.I. data can be sent over the Internet to Asian radiologists capable of diagnosing the problem at a small fraction of the cost.

Exactly the same alleged problem, of course, is present, at least implicitly, in the construction of modern factories and other modern facilities of production in China and elsewhere in what has up to now been the "third world." Such developments radically increase the productivity of workers who earn very low wages by American standards and thereby enable those foreign workers to outcompete far-more highly-paid American workers in the production of more and more goods.

The question is, are such developments to be feared as an assault on the American standard of living and thus serve to justify government intervention designed to thwart them?

The means of answering this question has been supplied by none other than David Ricardo, the discoverer of the law of comparative advantage.

The additional principle of Ricardo that is relevant here is his distinction between "value" and "riches," which, he showed, are capable of moving in opposite directions.1 Although Ricardo, was a proponent of the labor theory of value, his doctrine does not depend on it, any more than does the law of comparative advantage. Indeed, it can be applied to the very examples cited by Messrs. Schumer and Roberts. All we have to do is understand "value" as money income and "riches" as the goods and services that money income can buy.

Thus, here we are with American software engineers and American radiologists being replaced by much lower-paid Asian software engineers and radiologists. What causes them to be replaced is that they are unwilling to accept wages as low as their Asian competitors. The fact that they are replaced rather than accept the wage cuts needed to be competitive implies that they choose to move to alternative lines of work, which, while offering less money than the jobs they have lost, do not require reductions as severe as those needed to be competitive in the jobs now filled by Asians. The former software engineers take jobs that offer $100,000 or perhaps just $50,000 instead of the $150,000 that they had been earning. The former radiologists leave radiology and enter other branches of medicine at lower, but still considerable pay, in the process increasing the supply of physicians and reducing their rates in those other lines—a path to more affordable medical care, it would seem.

To understand what is present, all one need do is to generalize the situation. Imagine that in case after case Americans are confronted with lower-cost competitors, which causes a decline in their money incomes. But the decline in their money incomes is always less than the reduction in costs achieved by the competitors. Now all one need do is realize that the cost reductions achieved by the competitors show up as price reductions in the things Americans buy. And those price reductions, founded on cost reductions greater than the decline in American incomes, will also be greater than the decline in American incomes. In other words, American real incomes, as opposed to their nominal incomes, rise. Ricardo's principles both of comparative advantage and the distinction between value and riches are at work.

Of course, if one looks only at the situation of an isolated group, such as software engineers or radiologists, the decline in income is far more pronounced than any decline in the prices the members of these groups must pay. But by the same token, in every such isolated case the immense majority of Americans gets the benefit of some reduction in costs and prices with no reduction in income—for example, all the patients who earn their livings other than as software engineers or radiologists and who can now get their MRIs less expensively.

Despite everything I have said about falling wages and prices, it should be realized that under a system of fiat money, such as we have today, it is practically impossible that the general level of money wages will actually fall in the United States. For one thing, practically all of the dollars that go abroad to purchase imports or, now, to pay wages, come back to the United States, to buy goods and services here. Indeed, in this process, China and Japan are actually significant suppliers of capital funds to the United States, albeit largely in the form of the purchase of U.S. government securities. (So much for fears of capital export. The overwhelming bulk of the capital invested in Asia is made possible by the rapid increases in production there, not by the export of capital from the United States or other advanced countries. The capital formed there is of such magnitude as to make possible, as I say, the actual import of capital into the United States rather than its export from the United States.)

This return of funds from abroad serves to increase the demand for labor in various lines, thereby working against a general fall in wage rates. Of course, of much greater influence on money wages is the endless rapid increase in the quantity of money in the United States. When this factor is taken into account, the effect of free trade should be understood merely as retarding the rise in domestic prices in comparison with what it would otherwise be—of helping to prevent prices from rising as rapidly as inflation of the money supply serves to raise wage rates and would otherwise serve to raise prices

The economic development of China, India, and all other areas of the present-day third world, their full integration into a system of global division of labor and their attainment of "first-world" status, is earnestly to be desired not only by the populations of those countries, whose standards of living would obviously be enormously increased, but no less by the populations of today's first-world countries, whose standards of living would also be very greatly increased. What would be achieved, along with the benefits of comparative advantage, is the maximum possible economies of scale in every branch of production, given the world's population. Above all, every branch of science, technology, invention, and business innovation would be pursued by a far larger number of highly intelligent and motivated individuals than is now the case. The result must be far more rapid economic progress across the entire globe, raising the living standards of all far above the living standards of today's most advanced countries.

The fear of other people's intelligence and ability applied to the production of goods we consume is not only profoundly wrong but also extremely dangerous. If we follow the line of Schumer and Roberts, and their avowed mentor, Keynes, and instead of allowing ourselves to benefit from the competition of the rest of the world, seek to impede others' progress, we should not be surprised if we end up finding much of that intelligence and ability turned against us, in producing the weapons of future wars rather than the better and more economical consumers' goods it can and wants to produce and which we want to consume.

Let Schumer, Roberts, and all other advocates of state intervention restrain their desire to unleash the Polizei and the troops to stop people from doing what benefits them. They need to read more of Ricardo, and Mises and Bastiat, before urging such policies.


36 posted on 10/31/2015 11:59:58 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: expat_panama; 1010RD
In 2014 38% of all American workers made less than $20,000; 51% made less than $30,000; 63% made less than $40,000; and 72% made less than $50,000.

Whoa! This can't be true? On top of that we have the largest labor penetration in years. WTHeck!

49 posted on 10/31/2015 4:20:19 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Riflema

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is considered to be the father of Reaganomics, and he even ran the Editorial of the Wall Street Journal a while back.

He nails it on the head with this article.


57 posted on 11/01/2015 6:43:48 PM PST by Enlightened1
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