Posted on 10/21/2015 2:08:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
I have a serious question for the Trump supporters, and I hope they will be able to answer it, at least to themselves. It is a question that every supporter of every candidate should be able to answer if they consider themselves a thinking voter instead of a mindless, drooling sports fan. The question is this:
What, hypothetically, would Trump have to do or say to cause you to stop supporting him?
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............It’s supposed to matter what candidates think, do, and say. There should be a point with literally every candidate where something they have done would push us over the edge to the point that we wouldn’t support them anymore.
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I think you are one who lept. Trump offers good money for properties he wants. People want more, he goes around them. If there's a greater good involved it will be less than what Trump gets out of it. I'm completely jaded by the GOP and their loser candidates. I realize full well that Trump will do he wants to do and that may not be conservative. OTOH, the leviathan is going to do whatever it wants regardless if we support someone like Cruz or Carson. I would gladly vote for either, but the GOP will quickly overpower or neuter either of them. But the GOP and media can't touch Trump. That's his only appeal, a thin gruel you might say, but better than nothing.
What does that have to do with what Trump is saying? If he advocates policies in antipathy to conservatism, why does he deserve conservative support? If he criticizes Bush for wanting to cut off PP, why are so many here cheering him on?
Bush, Rubio, and Fiorina have already said and done a LOT of things to cause me not to vote for them.
“I think the majority, vast majority of us on this forum were not for Trump in the beginning. Some of us were down right mad at the man. Many of us were for Cruz and Walker, and we thought that Trump was in it as the spoiler, another Ross Perot, who in my mind was one of the most despicable human beings. He knew what he was doing, and by running he gave us Clinton.
In time, I grew to realize that Trump is more like a young Reagan than not. I learn from the man. I see him uniting people unlike at any time. Not just our side, but blue collars, minority, conservatives even some liberals.”
Spot on.
It was when Trump came out with his illegal immigration paper that I switched. Cruz didn’t have a clear stance on it, plus wanted to increase H1Bs without explaining why.
Then with each paper and strong ‘controversial’ statement, Trump surpassed the others. And took on the MSM and GOPe - and won.
What’s not to like?
Oh, and the Cruz supporters here seemed to be getting unhinged, nasty, just name-calling with out any rational things to say - so i didn’t want to be with that lot. But Cruz has been a class act. I’m hoping there’s some collaboration between him and Trump going on
You’re delusional.
She’s a Walker groupie - and still supports him by attacking the other candidates even though his campaign is dead.
Unless he drops out, nothing. I don’t want a president. I want a wrecking ball to go to war with the establishment. When there is a failure to dismantle the socialist disaster in place, I want someone who won’t cave in negotiations, but will call out the resistance for what they are...and then encourage the people to stand up against them.
I see Trump being more likely to do that than anyone else. Carson? Laughable... Cruz? Someone is going to have to clean up he mess afterwards. I want that man to be Cruz.
I imagine that's because, like all other TDS sufferers, you can't tell the difference between facts, and your own speculation about what those facts mean, and how they should be interpreted.
As such, I further imagine no one wishes to take the time to refute specious suppositions before they can even get into a substantive discussion.
I know when *I* run across those who simply will not entertain the idea their evaluation of Trump may be flawed, to the exclusion of any and all "exculpatory" rationales, I usually don't bother wasting my valuable FReeping time with them.
When Trump takes the oath in January of 2017, and governs from the left of a typical GOP President, your head is going to explode.
“I am dropping out of the race”
He will lose my support only if he is no longer there to support. He is a very committed man, running on positions he has held for years. Positions that mirror what I want to see for our country. Why would I switch?
So, who else is there? Most of the others are busy playing politics as usual, or are in no position to win more than a single primary. I know, let’s pick Bush, the guy who puts the interests of illegal aliens above those of Americans. Maybe Trump isn’t the ideal candidate, but after the deadheads, such as Bush 1 and 2, Dole, McCain, and Romney, Trump is like a breath of fresh air. At least he currently exhibits the willingness to fight. Do you honestly think that any of the others will go after Hillary the way Trump will? Of course now, they wouldn’t want to be seen as the one who denied the first woman candidate the chance to be president. They’ll do exactly what McCain and Romney did against 0bama.
It doesn’t matter whether he offers “good money.” In the case of Vera Coking, she and her family had owned that house for decades and wasn’t interested in selling. She didn’t want “more.” She wanted to remain in the home she’d known for much of her life Sometimes — yes, it may seem unbelievable in modern-day America — people value certain things more than money.
I was quite happy to see she won that court battle. But that was then.. before Kelo.. no wonder Trump is such a fan of that decision.
You’re even more SPOT ON!!!!!
To do that, he would have to renege on every one of his campaign promises, and that's just not the way this guy is built. He's all about "The Deal," and he doesn't go back on the terms to which he agreed in making the deal.
Attacking the poster instead of the content is a classic Alinsky tactic. It means you have nothing to refute the content.
REagan surrounded himself with good people, Obama in comparison has not. Hillary also will not, Biden the same.
Trump will put the best people in each office. He will cut out the gov’t waste. He will make our country a slick operation, and pass on the democratic process to the states.
At least there is a great potential for this happening.
Will there be considerable push back? You betcha, and it will start when he sends out Christmas Cards and celebrates the birth of Christ like no other.
THe other thing, Trump has the overt and covert support of some people here, whose opinion we respect, Greta, Hannity, Rush, even BOR et al. Megyn Kelly continues to bring up the negative side with her snide remarks.
If he ever goes back on her show, it should be a cold day.
“I have changed my mind and now support amnesty.”
When your mass employer of maids, busboys, laborers, and groundskeepers does what he really said he'd do (that you ignored out of wishful thinking) when he said he would let "the good ones" back in, you'll eventually get it, good and hard.
Here is what he told CNN’s Dana Bash last July:
When Trump says "we'll bring back the good ones" what he evidently plans is a variant on Kay Bailey Hutchison's Operation Touchback, which was rejected as equivalent to amnesty back in 2007.
The bill’s “touchback” requirement appears aimed at making it appear that the newly-legalized aliens are applying for permanent status from their home countries “just like other applicants.” This exercise in window-dressing fails to disguise the fact that under the bill illegal aliens enjoy their own privileged pathway to citizenship, don’t compete with applicants who have complied with U.S. immigration laws, and come right back into the United States after applying abroad.
Senator Hutchison says that this “touchback” before permanent residency amounts to a grant of “amnesty,” and therefore opposes it. She thinks that the illegal immigrants should have to leave the country in order to file additional paperwork before they can get the Z visas.
But this is a distinction without a difference. Whether or not she is successful in amending the bill, illegal immigrants will get probationary legal status, and thus the ability to work in this country without being subject to deportation, immediately. That’s amnesty: The law-breakers get the object of their crime. An immigrant who overstayed his visa can keep working under the Hutchison plan. Another immigrant who obeyed the law and left when his visa expired, on the other hand, will be out of luck. Source
Trump has apparently hidden the same gambit behind the shell of temporary deportation, else he'd better explain how he is going to deport one-out-of-fifteen US residents, which, as you will note, he has not done.
If he can’t explain how to do it, I can.
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