A Serious Question for the Trump Supporters

Red State ^ | October 21, 2015 | Leon H. Wolf

[Cincinatus' Wife]

I have a serious question for the Trump supporters, and I hope they will be able to answer it, at least to themselves. It is a question that every supporter of every candidate should be able to answer if they consider themselves a thinking voter instead of a mindless, drooling sports fan. The question is this:

What, hypothetically, would Trump have to do or say to cause you to stop supporting him?

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............It’s supposed to matter what candidates think, do, and say. There should be a point with literally every candidate where something they have done would push us over the edge to the point that we wouldn’t support them anymore.

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[arthurus]

I don’t really like Trump. I like Cruz more than the others. That said,Cruz is squishy on immigration. Trump is not. And the main reason for electing Trump is that he has the will and the chutzpah and the ability to do what has to be done. The philosophically and Constitutionally best candidate, Cruz,would be limited in what he can accomplish. Trump is not. Do I believe that Trump WILL do what needs to be done? I don’t know. The chances are at least even that when you elect Napoleon because it requires a Napoleon to regain the Republic, you get a Napoleon. I believe the chance of pulling this nation back up the cliff face is not a cause for much optimism. Most of us think we are headed for the cliff. I think we went off that precipice already, with 2014’s failed elections.

[Flick Lives]

Sadly, I hold out little hope that this article will be read in full, or that the serious question posed will generate many answers. Instead, the author and the poster (and anyone who is also interested - and says so) will be discussed and dissected.

Sadly, you are incorrect. Sadly, I read the article. Sadly, I even followed the links to the supposed supporting arguments against Trump, most of which are sourced at the same site, RedState, and all of which use, shall we say, creative editing, for their supporting claims.

Personally, I wouldn't vote for Trump if I found he had eaten a dog. I like dogs and I was none too pleased to hear our current Pres has dined on fricassee of fido. Eating a dog, even a small one like a chihuahua, would be a disqualifier for me.

[ScottinVA]

Are you somehow implying the Feds don’t still confiscate land for “offenses” such as those? Kelo allows PRIVATE interests to benefit from land seizure. That’s not the intent of eminent domain.

But you already know that.

[arthurus]

He gives it away by putting Bush and Christie in his mix of acceptable candidates.

[Servant of the Cross]

‘Nothing Disqualifies Trump’

At one point, Luntz bolted from the room with the focus group to make sure the handful of reporters observing on the other side of the glass understood how big of a deal this was. “My legs are shaking,” he admitted.

“This is absolutely for real,” Luntz said of the intense and loyal support for Trump. “And he is not going away. And he is as strong as every survey shows. All those people who think he’s going to implode have not sat and talked to these voters the way that they should have.”

I tell you it was the scariest thing I’ve ever seen! My legs are still shaking!

[palmer]

Trump is like that guy who just died who ran Singapore and brought it from nothing to a world economic power. But in the process Singapore now has the highest protection of property rights in the world (or close to it). There's no question that some old lady in her house doesn't stand a chance against Trump or his friends. But look carefully at the story and you will see a tale of greed on both sides. Trump offered good money for the properties he wanted.

If you want purism and perfection, then by all means, do not ever support Trump. If you want America to be great, then consider him.

[RoosterRedux]

Why would a Trump supporter waste their time on any article you post about him.

It's not that we are mindless, drooling fans (that alone would tell us to avoid the article)...it's just that we have done our vetting and have made our decision.

You need to move on with your grieving process.

[Garvin]

My new tag line: Scratch a liberal, get a fascist.

[ScottinVA]

Uh, no. Trump doesn’t cover other peoples’ property to enhance property rights. That’s quite a leap you made there.

There’s far too much in that man’s background for me to consider voting for him. Unlike many here in FR and in the GOP, I don’t just glom onto a candidate based on his/her recent rhetoric. You buy into Trump’s schtick, go for it. I’m a bit too jaded to believe him quite so easily.

[Neoliberalnot]

If Trump befriended the old media I would drop him in an instant. I think too many people have neglected two things about Trump: first he is hated by the deceitful old media and second Trump was the one who demanded that BO produce what he knew was going to be a phony birth certificate.

[ScottinVA]

cover=covet

[bigtoona]

All he has to do is start waffling on immigration, stop attacking the media, RINOS and democrats. Other than that, he can say or do anything. Unlike the PC crowd, I don't wait with baited breath for him to make a rude comment and then get my panties in a wad. I just don't care! I would rather have a brash person who I know will be able to do most of the things he promises, than a perfectly clear and carefully rehearsed candidate who changes positions with the wind. Donald Trump, all American guy like you and me, except he happens to have $10B dollars! Born of American parents and not raised to hate America like many other candidates.

The Phillies and the Red Sox attempted to recruit Donald Trump during his high school years in the mid 60’s
“He was good-hit and good-field,” former instructor Col. Ted Dobias said. “We had scouts from the Phillies to watch him, but he wanted to go to college and make real money.”


Donald Trump Confronted and Stopped a Mugger in 1991 by James Rosen, New York Daily News
POSTED: November 20, 1991 When he saw “a big guy with a big bat” bashing another fellow, Donald Trump did what any self-respecting billionaire would do: He ordered his driver to pull over. … Witnesses said Trump, with Marla Maples tugging at his arm to try to stop him, leaped from his black stretch limousine Monday evening during the Manhattan assault. …
“The guy with the bat looked at me, and I said, “Look, you’ve gotta stop this. Put down the bat,”‘ Trump said. “I guess he recognized me because he said, ‘Mr. Trump, I didn’t do anything wrong.’ I said, ‘How could you not do anything wrong when you’re whacking a guy with a bat?’ Then he ran away.”

19 months before 9/11, Trump warned of terror attack on major city
Donald Trump has taken a lot of heat for his comments about George W. Bush and 9/11, but it turns out that he wrote extensively about the inevitability of a major terror attack almost two years before the event, and even mentioned Osama bin Laden.

Trump says he has a concealed-carry license and sometimes packs heat: 'I feel much better being armed
The Donald said Sunday that he's 'a big Second Amendment person – big!'
Suggested that if teachers at Umpqua Community College had been carrying guns, some of the nine innocent victims might have survived.

Trump plan calls for nationwide concealed carry and an end to gun bans

Trump Likes Palin, Palin likes Trump!

Trump Likes Cruz, Cruz Likes Trump!

[gusty]

My contention since the beginning of this has been that Trump supporters are not or ever been conservatives. Let me narrow it down, small government conservatives. Trump is the type of candidate that I as a small government conservative has feared for decades. He is the typical 1950’s New Deal Democrat. Back in those days, the cultural issues that roil the electorate today were nonexistent. Why, because a consensus of opinion spanned both sides of the aisle. The issues dividing the liberals and conservatives were of the economic sphere. When the cultural consensus was shattered in the late 60’s and 70’s many Democrats who retained their cultural conservatism moved to the GOP. Not overnight, remember evangelicals overwhelmingly voted for Carter in 76, but over a decade. However, their fondness for the New Deal never left. When mobilizing numbers in a fight, these people were more interested in the cultural issues than economic growth. When showed a little ankle that Clinton in 92 might really be a “new type of Democrat”, some, not many even switched back. Trump supporters do not want small government. They want big government to do more for them. They see big government today working for government workers, not them. It cares more for illegal aliens than them. Trump is the perfect candidate for them culturally conservative and economically liberal. He is not the only one staking this claim, Huckebee also is trying to capture this ground, unsuccessfully I might add. To rap up, many people who consider themselves conservative really do not understand what the term even means. It is a gut feeling, not gained through reading Milton Friedman. They are insecure in their beliefs, as seen by how easily they lash out. All they know is that Trump is going to chase the illegals at of Home Depot, get their jobs back from China, and keep their entitlements rolling in. They are not looking back at Reagan's America, they are looking back at Truman's America.

[xzins]

What, hypothetically, would Trump have to do or say to cause you to stop supporting him?

First, it's a dumb question.

Second, it's another of the forms of propaganda, because it assumes problems with one person while ignoring problems with others.

Third, the entire thrust of the entire media has been to convince Trump supporters that he is not going to last. This is simply another twist on that same line of attack.

Fourth, RedState lost all credibility when Erick Erickson boldly and maliciously lied about Donald Trump. I deleted Red State and Erickson from my computer and from my reading. He's a covert agent for the establishment.

What will cause me to start supporting Jeb Bush? When he no longer has family ties to George and George, 41 & 43.

[gr8eman]

That is correct! (channeling Ed McMahon) I do not know if these folks have been brainwashed over time to question any motives real Americans have, but why aren't they asking the same of Rick Perry (loser), Linda Graham (parrot), or even Cristie (DA). Trump is bad because...a. He is smoking out all the weak kneed moderates. b. He's exposing the press (Fox) to be the liars they are. C. He calls out anyone who lies about him or tries to distort the truth. d. All of the above.

I'm getting sick of the Trump haters...yeah, I know a lot of them are paid by Soros, but as the GOPe gets more desparate by the day, it's clear they have nothing to fall back on. Maybe that's why the moderate Trump haters can't look in the mirror.

[Carry_Okie]

That’s eventually what all the Trump haters get around to doing - marginalization, derision, trickery and deceit. All because the media and poweratti can’t control the narrative any more.

The media ARE controlling the narrative and you don't get it: It's ALL about Trump. There isn't a bit of time by comparison for anybody else. He hardly has to spend a dime to his the word out and hasn't. Why?

I think it's because the fix is in, and Trump has told you so. But the dupes for Donald were so enamored at his faux anger that you couldn't see the boomerang amnesty in his immigration plan. I've posted that content a good many times and NOT ONCE has one of his athletic supporters ever taken on the facts cited in the post. NOT ONCE has one ever explained to me why an employer of hordes of busboys, construction workers, maids, laborers, and groundskeepers doesn't have an interest in such a closet amnesty.

Explain why this is not a realistic likelihood that Trump has NOT addressed. Trump has never explained how he plans to deport (at least) one-out-of-fifteen US residents, or how he's going to get Americans to do those jobs. Not once. Yet the lemmings behind this former Democrat who consulted Bill Clinton just before he announced fall right in line. Why aren't you the least bit suspicious, sufficient to ask "Where's the beef?"

But it isn't only immigration. Try healthcare. When asked about abortion and women's healthcare, he made OUTRAGEOUS and totally unconstitutional promises (in answer to this question at 55:00), yet not a peep from his supporters on this forum when he criticized Bush's refusal to spend a half billion to fund Planned Parenthood:

Trump: "You know, Jeb Bush didn't want to fund women's health issues and he took it back later. I will take care of women, and I have great respect for women, and I do cherish women." Where in Article II of the Constitution does the President have the enumerated power to "take care" of anybody when it comes to healthcare? How would he do that without legislation? Where in Article I Section 8 is there such a power in Congress? Does Trump think he's going to be king? What the hell does he mean by "I will take care of women" in the context of healthcare? Doesn't that sound like socialized medicine to you? He's advocated it before!

Oh, but he's changed... not.

[Gaffer]

I don't let my tolerance of Trump's arrival on scene detract me from my support of Cruz. Nor do I believe there is a media conspiracy about a "fix is in" regarding him. Quite far from it in my estimation.

If there ever was a "fix is in," it is with Jeb Bush and Rove and the big money PACs that are still holding up his empty suit.

As a final comment, your comment, "I've posted that content a good many times and NOT ONCE has one of his athletic supporters ever taken on the facts cited in the post" is the prime example of the derision, discounting, ridicule and obsessed TDS I'm talking about.

[Carry_Okie]

Answer the content: I think Trump wants a boomerang amnesty and has a soft spot for socialized medicine. I think he is playing conservatives for dupes and many are sure as hell acting like it.

[CottonBall]

Give it up. Walker is out already. Why keep trying to tear down the others? And why not ask this if Carson supporters? Cruz supporters?

[Boardwalk]

Well we are funding planned parenthood which is apparently is viewed as a constitutional right by the left. PP does not take care of women in a good way.