Posted on 10/02/2015 11:58:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I have a sense of regret that this jerk is the Pope.
Of course it's a mere technicality. Lombardi has certainly said the same in slightly other words. I was just noting the way the meme-phrase (ipsissimi verbi, "sense of regret") continues to spread in the headlines.
My point was that the Pope hasn't said a thing but the Hive is buzzing. "Sense of regret" it is. As for Fr. Lombardi, he is simply another example of the usefulness of clerical bureaucrats in the production and distribution of moral equivocation.
(CNN)The day before Pope Francis met anti-gay county clerk Kim Davis in Washington last week, he held a private meeting with a longtime friend from Argentina who has been in a same-sex relationship for 19 years.
Yayo Grassi, an openly gay man, brought his partner, Iwan Bagus, as well several other friends to the Vatican Embassy on September 23 for a brief visit with the Pope. A video of the meeting shows Grassi and Francis greeting each other with a warm hug.
In an exclusive interview with CNN, Grassi said the visit was arranged personally with the Pope via email in the weeks ahead of Francis' highly anticipated visit to the United States. Pope Francis met with Iwan Bagus, right, and Yayo Grassi, left.
"Three weeks before the trip, he called me on the phone and said he would love to give me a hug," Grassi said.
Earlier on Friday, the Vatican said that the meeting with Davis was not intended as a show of support for her cause and "the only real audience granted by the Pope at the nunciature (embassy) was with one of his former students and his family." "That was me," Grassi said. -
Grassi, who is 67, added that he is willing to talk about his private moment with the pontiff because he was upset about media coverage of the Pope's meeting with Davis.
"I want to show the truth of who Pope Francis is," he said. http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/pope-gay-washington/index.html?sr=tw100215popeexclusive0434PMStory&linkId=17553641
This is the persistent question. This is beginning to sound like the old TV show, "What's my line?" or whatever it was called.
RE: Yayo Grassi, an openly gay man, brought his partner, Iwan Bagus, as well several other friends to the Vatican Embassy on September 23 for a brief visit with the Pope. A video of the meeting shows Grassi and Francis greeting each other with a warm hug.
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The question is this — given that Yayo Grassi brought several other friends, did the Pope know that Iwan Bagus was his gay partner?
lol
God knows. For a figure RCs promote as the answer for confusion, this pope creates more confusion and questions.
On this one I think I’ll go with what Pope Benedict actually said on the plane ride home vs some unidentified Vatican spokesperson.
I think and hope the LCMS remains untainted; else, not sure where to turn. It is depressing to see what is happening to our religious communities.
[On this one I think I’ll go with what Pope Benedict actually said on the plane ride home]
OK
No sense of regret; His Holiness did get a warm tingle up his right leg, though.
I do not understand this behavior.
I grew up a Presbyterian, had Methodist preachers in my family, then married a French Canadian Catholic.
My children were both Baptized Catholic...and two years ago, I studied and became a Catholic, even though, to this day, I am still scared to tell my Dad...he is older and not well.
I wanted our family to be together in one faith, although no one in Qc ever goes to chirch or gets married anymore...
I am very disappointed in this Pope. I really liked him at first.
I was in Denver when the Pope visited in the ‘90s.....we were all thrilled to see him. I called my grandfather who was still alive, in Florida...He was just like me, converted to Catholicism after marrying his second wife (he was a widower)....
His family was furious!, His brother was a Methodist preacher...
I still don’t know if I will ever tell my Dad. I must...but I don’t want to hurt him.
This Pope makes it harder to do so. At least Jean Paul II helped to change the world in a good way.
You are right...
The priest (and I have an excellent one) reads Scripture from the pulpit and gives a homily based on either the Gospel passage of the day or the Epistle passage of the day. These things all Christian churches have in common. Only the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches have valid Apostolic Succession, the Mass (the Tridentine Latin Mass at my Church) and the validly consecrated Holy Eucharist. I cannot imagine leaving the Roman Catholic Church at this stage of life over some second rate pope. He will be gone soon enough and the Roman Catholic Church will still be the Roman Catholic Church. If I did leave, it would be only for Orthodoxy.
I am sure that others will disagree with those choices but they are my choices nonetheless with all due respect to those others, though they be my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ.
The Vatican as currently constituted is not a permanent thing.
What is and always will be permanent is Apostolic Succession, The Sacrifice of the Mass, the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ offered to us in the Holy Eucharist for our spiritual nourishment, the validity of each and every sacrament of the Roman Catholic Church and of the Eastern Orthodox Churches, the Teaching Magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church, and the Sacred Scriptures. These are among the most permanent things on Earth. Don't let this prudential disaster of a pope drive you from those permanent things.
May God grant you His graces in abundance and guide you in your considerations to make the choice most in accord with His will and His plan. May God bless you and yours!
Zee Pope, he iz a bend hover boy , n’est pas?
It all sounds..confusing. I’m not much for organized “religion” though I do understand some people’s need for it. I can talk to God anytime I want. I have the basis of a childhood foundation in church teachings and can get answers through prayer, Holy scripture, Christian friends and on-line resources. I don’t feel like rituals, or going to a certain building, or hanging on the words of a certain authority figure here on earth, are necessary to get to heaven. I just don’t think our Creator hinges our eternal life based upon these worldly things. I could be wrong of course, maybe my views stem from the fact I do wish I could go to church (for my own fellowship needs)but it’s out of my reach?
Who knows if one even has the “right” religion? Both Protestant and Catholic alike have deep abiding faith that theirs is the right way.
I don’t disagree with your choices. We need to do what we need to do in order to find deeper communion with our Savior.
Yes according to the CNN piece the Pope had knowledge of the relationship.
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