Posted on 09/14/2015 7:17:15 AM PDT by C19fan
The view endorsed by Rep. Jared Polis (this passage apparently both as to public universities and private universities, start at 1:57:28):
It seems like we ought to provide more of a legal framework, then, that allows a reasonable likelihood standard or a preponderance of evidence standard [for deciding whether to expel college students accused of sex offenses]. If there are 10 people who have been accused, and under a reasonable likelihood standard maybe one or two did it, it seems better to get rid of all 10 people. Were not talking about depriving them of life or liberty, were talking about them being transferred to another university, for crying out loud.
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It was in the context of discussing commitment to and retention of inmates in concentration camps with Theodor Eicke, commandant of Dachau. Evidently, Mr. Polis agrees.
You all see it - the Left has reached critical mass. They know they can say (and do) anything they want now for The Revolution, secure in the knowledge that not only will they be opposed, they will be celebrated.
Everything from public sodomy, to confiscation of employment and property without due process, to suppression of free speech and religious liberty, is on their table.
Eventually, they will apply their full power on the crown jewel: Gun Confisctation.
I don’t get this either.
If a girl is raped, then it should go through the legal process, law enforcement should be involved. Sexual assault and rape are serious crimes, and should be reported to law enforcement, not dealt with internally at colleges.
From what I understand, these colleges have set up their own systems to handle these cases, without actual legitimate law enforcement being involved. This by definition sets up a situation, in which the accused are not going to be dealt with by due process. They will be dealt with by kangaroo court.
That’s a ridiculous approach.
Under that approach, we’d just bomb Detroit and Chicago to improve the crime rate.
But can we take that approach to Muslim immigrants? It’s not like deporting them we are depriving them of life and liberty.
I’ve heard a similar quote attributed to Ghengis Khan (sp?), in which Khan would execute numerous suspects rather than see one criminal go free.
It makes no sense, and is not fair, to expel a student based on a mere sexual assault accusation. But then again, it also doesn't make sense to allow the suspect to be in close contact with the alleged victim, like in a classroom or in a dorm building.
The solution would seem, to me, to have the college work out a plan were the suspect and alleged victim must stay far apart. If that means adjusting class schedules or changing rooming arrangements, so be it.
The solution would seem, to me, to have the college work out a plan were the suspect and alleged victim must stay far apart. If that means adjusting class schedules or changing rooming arrangements, so be it.
Look up the name Laura Dunn and her case. She is now a big “victim” advocate for sexual assault. She used this arrangement against her “attacker” by following him around to parties and functions and then notifying the school that he violated the order.
Himmler and Stalin....nice companions for Mr. Polis!
(As Sister Marie Frances used to say: “Show me your friends, and I’ll tell you what YOU are!”
(sigh)
Ah, the Salem Witch Trials, now on campus.
“Further, we can assemble for ANY reason as long as it is peaceful.”
I wish you were completely correct.
However, as of December 2012, the NDAA that went into law, permits arrest and indefinite detention of US citizens who are deemed beligerent toward the government.
There is no clear definition of what might be considered beligerent behavior.
It’s likely that individuals could have been arrested and jailed without due process during the 09/12/2009 Tea Party March on DC.
Assembling, holding signs and chanting anything against this regime could get you thrown in jail.
The ACLU and other organizations failed in their opposition to the NDAA.
We no longer have the First Ammendment as it was intentionally written.
We let Obola do this without so much as a whimper.
I understand what you're saying. But it doesn't invalidate my suggestion. The college just needs to do a little investigation, then expel her (not him) for violating the agreement.
Yes, I can see a little problem there. Colleges are quick to punish male violators...not so quick with female violators.
You have a valid point but the erosion of the 1st amendment goes back even further - the civil rights act, widely supported by Republicans, also erodes the first amendment’s assembly clause due to some artificially created government right to regulate free enterprise.
Sigh, I no longer recognize the nation I live in.
A female employee at FSU told me that the female university employees get regular warnings about assaults and rapes. There is a tunnel used by students. (I don’t know why.) It’s practically a guaranteed rape zone at certain hours. As far as she knows the students are not informed of the dangers and obviously, as the tunnel is still in use, the university is taking no visible action.
I suspect the number one issue for the University is to make certain there is no adverse publicity.
Yes, I can see a little problem there. Colleges are quick to punish male violators...not so quick with female violators.
Re-read this sentence. Is the author honestly advocating an "accusation = expulsion" standard? And there would be absolutely no repercussions from THAT!
The Rolling Stone Standard of guilt or innocence. What’s wrong with that?
We agree completely there. When it comes to a sexual assault (or any campus crime), the first priority of any college is to put up a smoke screen to protect its reputation. The second priority is to be as PC as possible.
Seeking justice is, at best, third on the list.
Yes, appropriately correct also.
However, I would caution you that before you go out and try to say Genghis Kahn, you consult the John (I was in Viet Nam) Kerry archives and listen to his testimony before congress. HIS is the only accepted pronunciation. :0)
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