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Selections from West Point Atlas for the Second World War
The Far East and the Pacific, 1941: Areas under Allied and Japanese Control, 15 August 1945
The Western Pacific: Japanese Homeland Dispositions August 1945 and Allied Plans for the Invasion of Japan (Operation Downfall)
1 posted on 08/31/2015 4:58:03 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
Reading assignment: New York Times articles and the occasional radio broadcast delivered daily to students on the 70th anniversary of original publication date. (Previously posted articles can be found by searching on keyword “realtime” Or view Homer’s posting history .)
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2 posted on 08/31/2015 4:58:37 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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MacArthur for President!


7 posted on 08/31/2015 5:17:27 AM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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My father was an 18 year old Fireman aboard the USS Block Island when they picked up American POWs from Japanese camps and transported them to islands with established bases and hospitals. They gave them each a pair of boxers and a t shirt and burned the clothes they brought with them on the flight deck.

He wouldn’t talk about it until late in life and was still saddened while discussing men who’d been prisoners for years dying on an American ship after being freed.


8 posted on 08/31/2015 5:29:16 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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Entering the service after only 18 years since the end of W.W. 2, I was privileged to serve with a few former prisoners of war. Those held by the Japs all had the same story. Horrendous treatment.


10 posted on 08/31/2015 5:51:58 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Hillary not only brings old baggage wherever she goes, she picks up new baggage when she gets there)
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figures...

DEMOCRAT President Truman says “PUBLIC must share blame for Pearl Harbor”


16 posted on 08/31/2015 8:22:06 AM PDT by Mr. K (If it is HilLIARy -vs- Jeb! then I am writing-in Palin/Cruz)
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Those held by the Japs all had the same story. Horrendous treatment.

It's a truism because it's true: the Japanese couldn't fathom the idea of honorable surrender. When it came to their surrendering, they would only do it because their Emperor had ordered it, and even then a fair percentage chose suicide over surrender. When at the beginning of the war Americans, British, and Dutch chose surrender over annihilation, the Japanese considered it a demonstration of our lack of honor, and treated us accordingly.

Whether any Romans ever made it to Japan is highly speculative (Roman coins have been found in Japan, but anyone using the Silk Road could have brought them), but from the earliest times that Europeans arrived on Japan's shores in the mid-1500s, all Westerners have been nambam 南蛮, barbarians 蛮 from the south 南 (since they sailed up the Asian coast towards Japan). Incidentally, the "barbarian" character was originally 蠻, which is a snake on the bottom, out of the mouth of which comes words wrapped up in threads--very much like the Greek concept of barbarioi, or people who were too stupid to speak Greek and therefore sounded like "bar-bar-bar-bar" when they spoke. There was a Japanese nobleman during the war (I'd have to spend half a day digging through my books to find him) who said that he couldn't stand to hear Westerners speaking Japanese, something along the lines of how it sounded like a defilement of the language. Just as the Nazis treated non-Aryans as subhuman, the Japanese treated non-Japanese as subhuman, and Westerners as doubly so, simply because of how haughty we seemed to be towards them.

None of this should be construed as providing any justification for the horrendous treatment of POWs by the Japanese--they thought they were justified, and we had to place them in the position of annihilation or surrender to disabuse them of the notion.

Which leads to something I wanted to write yesterday and couldn't because of the Sunday schedule. James F. Byrnes should have been President at this time, since he was the one FDR wanted to replace Wallace on the 1944 ticket: he had been a Senator from SC, a Supreme Court Justice, and was instrumental in the FDR administration--FDR take Byrnes to Yalta. Truman became the Veep because the unions wanted him, and also because Byrnes had a racist streak a mile wide. Byrnes got his ideas about Japan from Grew, who wasn't blind to the atrocities the Japanese had committed but who probably, for want of a better way to put it, felt for the Japanese who had suffered in the atomic bombings. Byrnes already was beginning his falling out with Truman, and he was convinced that he was better at foreign policy than HST, though he was wrong about Japan, and later on he would be wrong about Iran, eventually leading to all the events in the last 70 years--the 1953 CIA coup because that was the only way to keep the Soviets out of Iran, which helped foment the 1979 revolution that we're still living with today, in part because of someone else who is convinced that he is smarter at foreign policy than the rest of us.

But that is for another time. The issue of whether Japan would have surrendered without the bomb is a fool's discussion. Of course Japan would have surrendered, but not on August 15, maybe on August 31 after the Soviets had taken over Hokkaido and all of Korea, killing 100,000 in the process, and then killing at least another half million during what would have been a 45-year occupation, just as in Eastern Europe--and that would have been better? Remember the Momotaro movie: as late as April 1945 the Japanese people were being prepared to invade the US, as silly as that would have been, so it took a REAL wake-up call to get the Japanese to surrender. My cynical side thinks that Byrnes just didn't like the idea of Truman being right.

18 posted on 08/31/2015 12:01:44 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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Before the day ends, I found this article about Leslie Nakamura, the UPI reporter who was first into Hiroshima. As reported in today’s paper.

http://www.hiroshimapeacemedia.jp/mediacenter/article.php?story=20081219114508692_en


44 posted on 08/31/2015 7:48:19 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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