Posted on 08/23/2015 10:57:14 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
MIAMI (AP) The debate over a controversial proposal to end the automatic granting of citizenship to children of people in the U.S. illegally is a distraction from what the nation really needs to do to stem the tide of illegal immigration, several Republican presidential candidates said Sunday. Related Stories
On the television network news talk shows, the GOP hopefuls said enforcing U.S. immigration laws would resolve the problem of "birthright citizenship" without having to go through what they see as an impractical effort to end it with a constitutional amendment.
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I hope Trump makes the point clear over the heads of the media and the GOP.
For once a headline nails it: GOP rivals. They are better known as the GOP establishment. They turn their back on rule of law and conservative values, to the ruin of the GOP.
This is an issue of national survival and in my opinion the one where all the other problems come from. When we put Nationalism back in the forefront we’ll be able to make decisions for the best interests of the Citizens of the United States and not at the expense of the Citizens of the United States. Being able to define for ourselves rather than letting anyone who is able to sneak across the boarder define who are citizens are is the most fundamental issue at hand.
This is the problem with the GOP today.
Full court press by The Ministry Of Propaganda aided by employees of The Cheap Labor Express who are playing candidates for President.
Congress can remedy this. This is a faulty interpretation of the 14th. Congress can clarify it, there is ample historical documentation that this was never intended to apply to aliens.
“Rivals” in this article = Carly Fiorina, Chris Christie, Scott Walker...lol
The Founding fathers would not have made it that hard to control who
gets naturalized and who doesn’t by forcing a constitutional amendment
as the process to do it.
Congress has the power to decide who gets in and who doesn’t.
It is definitely a distraction for those who support it and amnesty. Whoever supports BC will also support amnesty. This is a case of who says A must say B.
So I am a HUGE supporter of birthright citizenship.
Of course I am all for securing our borders and strictly enforcing immigration law as it is.
“Yes, stop talking about that; we want illegal aliens because our US Chamber of Commerce masters order it.”
This statement can not be true since current entry laws allow pregnant visitors. Those advocating this measure are either not using their brains or have a different agenda.
On the other hand, eliminating birthright citizenship associated with illegal immigration can be expected to reduce illegal immigration.
This is an elective dictatorship so the dictator we elect has to be capable of first eliminhating EPA and most of the other Agencies right off the bat by Decree and then persuading the States to call that Article 5 Convention. The Congressionally created and Court confirmed cannot give back the power ceded to the President/Dictator but he can push the States into reclaiming their Constitutional power.
Trump seems to be the man on Horseback who appears in decaying desperate civilizations. The history of those men does not make for optimism that he would use his power and leadership to actually restore the Republic and the States. Napoleon was such a Man. So was Schickelgruber. So was Octavian.
“We can’t get traction because Trump won’t stop talking about what the people want.”
Good good good ..... More of them are being fished out (no real surprise here).
We know definitely who had been bought by the Chamber of Commerce now.
Hmmmmm. Distraction? Dollars to donuts those were Walker’s words. It’s one of his favorite things to say when he doesn’t want to talk about something or state his position (if he has one).
Is it time for me to say “I told you so yet?”
DISTRACTION, MY ASS. It’s the very guts of the mess!
DONALD TRUMP IS RIGHT!!!
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A VERY IMPORTANT piece if you want to fully understand the 14th Amendment argument! Folks, some really cunning and not so stupid people are on the verge of STEALING YOUR BIRTHRIGHT AND THAT OF YOUR CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN!
If you don’t have time to read the entire thing, PLEASE at least read the paragraphs I’ve extracted below. If you’re STILL unclear why those on the left are slinging all this mud on Trump over this one, understand that a large percentage of those who come here ILLEGALLY are initially unable to fully support themselves until they plug into the underground/paid under the table economy and, because the left has created a welfare hammock for them, avail themselves of those programs (at which time many do both). Those programs create a “warm and fuzzy feeling” toward these leftists Democrats, almost guaranteeing they will become DEMOCRAT VOTERS once the left has succeeded in doing away with proof of citizenship in order to vote. (Not to belabor the point, but ask yourself WHY, during his recent trip to Kenya, obozo pledged over 50 million bucks to that corrupt government for A VOTER ID PROGRAM as his Just Us department has blown well over that amount trying to PREVENT STATES FROM REQUIRING PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP HERE??)
Sorry for the rant. Here are those paragraphs that condense much of the legal info in this piece: (See the link below for the entire piece.)
P. A. Madison, a modern day master of constitutional analysis, points out that since illegal aliens are unlawfully in the US, their native country has a proper and primary claim of allegiance on the child. Thus, the completeness of their allegiance to the US is impaired, which therefore precludes automatic citizenship. Slam dunk obvious, Id say.
Also, Rep. Aaron Sargent, a representative from California during the Naturalization Act of 1870 debates, said the 14th Amendments citizenship clause was not a de-facto right for aliens to obtain citizenship. Significantly, none of his contemporaries disputed that assertion.
Adding to this mix, here is a little case law since the 14ths ratification.
In the Slaughterhouse Cases(1873), the Supreme Court observed that the 14th Amendment overturned the Dred Scott decision by making all persons born within the United States and subject to its jurisdiction, citizens of the US; the ruling went on to point out that [the 14th Amendments] main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the Negro and that the phrase subject to its jurisdiction was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, AND citizens or subjects of foreign states born within the United States”, thus reinforcing Sen. Howards construction above. So, since they cannot be subject to US jurisdiction, children of citizens of foreign sovereignities and children of foreign ministers/consuls/ambassadors cannot be lawfully considered US Citizens. Makes perfect sense.
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