Posted on 08/17/2015 4:04:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin
The Police Foundation, a research group based in Washington, D.C., released a detailed report Monday on how Stockton police responded to the July 16, 2014, armed robbery of a Bank of the West branch, where three gunmen took three women hostage and fired at officers from a speeding SUV.
The group found that 32 officers unloaded more than 600 rounds during the hour-long rolling gun battle, which spanned three counties, 63 miles of highway and reached speeds of 120 mph. One of the hostages, Misty Holt-Singh, was killed when she was struck by 10 police bullets, authorities said. The two other hostages jumped or were thrown from the vehicle during the chase and survived.
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Stockton Police Chief Eric Jones, who called for the independent review, held a news conference Monday to discuss the findings.
“We said we’ll accept responsibility, and that’s what I’m doing here today,” Jones said. “There’s not a man or woman in the Stockton Police Department that does not wish it had a different outcome.”
The report said that a few officers engaged in “sympathetic fire,” in which officers fired their weapons because others were shooting.
In some cases, officers opened fire while colleagues were in front of them. The report highlighted an example during the final standoff, in which one officer lay prone on the ground and did not shoot while an officer next to him, standing, fired “round after round.”
“‘What’s your target?’ the prone officer yelled, thinking he was missing something,” the report stated.
“‘The car!’ responded the officer,” according to the report.
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Is it on YOUTUBE yet?/
I’m curious, how many cops being killed by other cops in such a situation would be acceptable to you? You don’t want to be a moron and let the bastards go, right? So where a hostage being killed is acceptable to you then how many cops being shot by other cops would be acceptable to you in such a case?
Hopefully, they didn’t kill any kids while spraying rounds across three counties.
Ping.
Oh, they killed one of the hostages. That’s policy these days, though, isn’t it?
At first I read the city as Stockholm. I thought , “Wow, that is excessive for Swedes.”
Closer view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbdYqJgVvuM
On July 16, 2014, the bank robbers arrived at 2:10 and took everyone hostage. . . but that particular day I did not feel well after payroll and decided to skip lunch. I stopped at the bank early and was there an hour earlier than my normal time, left, dropped off the bank bag and receipt and went home.
Had I not been feeling ill, I would have been in that bank right when the robbery went down. . . and being armed I probably would have tried to do something about it. At least I hope I would have. . . and I'd probably have wound up dead, considering their firepower and willingness to use it. On the other hand, maybe not. Sometimes, someone shooting at them at the right moment will stop them. I knew the nice lady who was taken hostage and was killed by the excess force used by the police. It was totally unnecessary for the Stockton PD.
Channel 13, the local CBS News, is talking about it now on the TV news. . . and they are saying that officers disobeyed orders and too many responded. A Police Captain fired the first shot. Then other police started firing "sympathetic shots" and kept firing, some just firing at the car, with no specific known target in mind. This finished about a half-mile from my Stockton house. . . they say that no police shoot out like this has ever occurred in US History. Leave it to Stockton.
i’m not what can be called anti-gun but i can’t understand this either. She was hit TEN TIMES????
there has to be a better way to stop these things; there must be a way to disable any vehicle with a .50 Cal bullet into the engine from the ground or chopper. There must be some microwave, EMP thing that can disable an engine. That would slow it down.
running gunbattles are nuts. use could maybe have been made of ANYBODY with a hunting rifle and scope, etc-—how hard is that?
I’m glad this morton cop is taking “responsibility;” what a ______ moron.
The entire force and city should be sued out of existence into a black hole: CALL A PHILADELPHIA LAWYER, not some old boy from Stockton (wherever that is).
Oh-—i was a detective for 30 years....
I still think everyone should learn to shoot with a flintlock.
“The report said that a few officers engaged in “sympathetic fire,”
They are getting as bad as liberal politicians when it
comes to making up cute BS terms for heinous activity.
“sympathetic fire,” = trigger happy punk.
I don’t know why but most cops cant hit their ass with
both hands.
“Maybe they can shoot some poor woman hostage 30, 40 or even 50 times.”
Do you have any idea how many rounds a cop would have to fire
to get that many hits? 50 hits would be at least 1200 rounds.
And that’s a 30 yards. “mini-guns” is right.
Cops are in a no win situation.
Should they just let armed bank robbers holding hostages run free?
What then when the robbers later shoot the hostage and roll the body out the back?
Then it would be the cops didn’t do their job and let them go
Cops watch cop shows on tv, too. Probably where most of them get their training.
“Had I not been feeling ill, I would have been in that bank right when the robbery went down. .”
Wow. Then you would have had a real story to tell. Don’t you
hate it when things like that happen. Look at all those
ATF and FBI agents that for some reason or another didn’t
show up for work on April 19, 1995. Look what they missed out
on. And, if you have a conceal carry permit and you were in
the habit of packing heat you probably could have saved
a life. So really it’s all your fault. You get sick, and
you miss out on performing your constitutional duty and
probably doing the only meaningful thing in your life. None
of this really matters. I’m joking of course.
It’s just a pseudo point of view.
“there must be a way to disable any vehicle with a .50 Cal bullet into the engine from the ground or chopper.”
A cop shooting at a moving car with a 50 cal? He/she/it
would have to fire 60 rounds at 30 yards standing still
on the ground to get one hit. From a helicopter, no way
the pilot would be in more danger than the motor in the car.
Be better off to follow from a distance or , sad to say,
let them go. In this PC world few children are raised to
have the balls needed to be a good cop.
The surviving bad guy was using her as a human shield. . . but watch the YouTube of the police shooting at the car. Misty Holt-Singh is in the car. She was a great-greatgranddaughter of Benjamin Holt, the inventor of the Caterpillar Tractor, and the Track-laying Tank, the forerunner of all military tanks, which were invented in Stockton.
There's no way she could have survive the barrage of bullets hitting that car, which belonged to one of the employee's at the bank. (Misty was just there to cash a check that day, as it was her day off, and her 13 year old daughter was in a car outside while she ran in to take care of the business.) There was no need for such a barrage. The police had that vehicle stopped and the bad guys completely surrounded; they were not going anywhere when the majority of the gunfire occurred. The baddies had already tossed two other hostages out of the vehicle in the chase.
Stockton (wherever that is).
The city and police are being sued. . . by a very good law firm. . . for a LOT. . . by some very tenacious junk yard dog lawyers. . .
Stockton, CA, is located about 45-50 miles south of Sacramento, 75-80 miles due east of San Francisco, as the crow flies, but not as the road winds. as there are miles and miles of Sacramento/San Joaquin River Delta Islands and waterways between Stockton and there. . . metro area population about 450,000. Also Stockton is the home town of the Thayer's famous poem's Mudville Nine of the Casey At the Bat Baseball Team. . . during the height of the Obama economic depression, Stockton and Detroit seesawed between being the foreclosure Capital of the USA. It also has the dishonor of being the second city in the US to declare bankruptcy. . .
Oooooooo, a report from the Police Foundation - founded by the Ford Foundation, “Working on the frontlines of social change worldwide.”
Actually, I do think about it . . . and wonder what I would have done. I've pulled my gun in a couple of other situations before, but never had to fire it. The threat was enough. This one is one where I really wonder whether I would have had a chance or not? I probably would have been at the teller window with my back to them when they came charging in. . . and may not have had a chance to do anything. Or, as I said, had I tried something, I may have been killed. They were ruthlessly wiling to use their guns. Intimidation would not work. I would have been willing to fire, but there were three of them. . . and they spread out in the bank. Who knows? I certainly don't.
I do know that in the other two times, and another time when I was not armed, I didn't hesitate to do what was necessary. So I hope I would have again done what was necessary. . . but it's all speculation because I was saved by a very queasy gut from having to be there. Perhaps it was a premonition of what was going to go down in that bank that day that made me ill? Perhaps. Sometimes I wish I had been there, but most times I am glad I missed the action. I'm getting too old for those shenanigans.
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