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Will Making It Easier to Fire Feds Go Viral?
Government Executive ^ | August 14, 2015 | Kellie Lunney

Posted on 08/16/2015 3:20:17 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen

The head of the Merit Systems Protection Board on Thursday warned federal employees that legislative efforts making it easier to fire workers at the Veterans Affairs Department soon could expand to include other agencies.

“Today, it’s the VA. Tomorrow, it could be your agency,” said MSPB Chairman Susan Tsui Grundmann in a speech at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission’s EXCEL conference in Washington. Grundmann was referring to a 2014 law that allows the VA secretary to fire any Senior Executive Service employee immediately, and a bill passed by the House in July that would make it easier to fire all VA employees -- not just top career officials.

The intent of the 2014 Veterans Access, Choice and Accountability Act – which includes the provisions affecting senior executives – and the 2015 VA Accountability Act is to help the department more quickly get rid of poor performers or those engaged in wrongdoing. The congressional efforts to expedite firing were launched after reports erupted last year about employees engaged in data manipulation and the excessive wait times for vets seeking appointments in Phoenix and elsewhere.

But many, including Grundmann, question the constitutionality of the legislative measures because of the effect on due process. The White House has threatened a veto of the 2015 bill, although President Obama signed the 2014 one affecting senior executives into law……………

(Excerpt) Read more at govexec.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016election; election2016; meritsystem; mspb; susantsuigrundmann; va; veteransaffairs
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1 posted on 08/16/2015 3:20:17 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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President Trump/Cruz needs to eliminate the right of government workers to unionize on their first day in office. By executive order. Then have Secretary of Labor Scott Walker enforce the order immediately (with extreme prejudice).
2 posted on 08/16/2015 3:26:49 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Isn't it funny that Socialists never want to share their own money?)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

about 60 percent of the federal gub mnt is absolutely worthless.
Fire em. All of their worthless asses.
Let em try to be productive instead of LEACHES


3 posted on 08/16/2015 3:36:57 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ( Obammy is a lie, a mooselimb and pond scum.)
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Want to fire 5% of the Federal work force? Simply start a program auditing their expenses, email and use of GSA credit cards and watch the cockroaches scurry.


4 posted on 08/16/2015 3:45:42 AM PDT by Fhios (Immigration without assimilation is an invasion. -- Bobby Jindal)
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To: Fhios

They are out of control and need to be put under strict control, these are children in the candy store


5 posted on 08/16/2015 3:51:15 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Joe Boucher

I like your attitude.

The tax-leaches need the humanitarian right to learn how to become productive members of society.


6 posted on 08/16/2015 3:54:02 AM PDT by x1stcav (Oh! No! I just learned Freddy Mecury was a queer.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Only problem is it hasn’t worked at the VA yet....all words, no reality.

What have they fired? One person?

Sickening.


7 posted on 08/16/2015 4:20:15 AM PDT by Arlis ( A "Sacred Cow" Tipping Christian)
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To: Joe Boucher

What’s your 60% comment based on? Do you have any experience with the Government?


8 posted on 08/16/2015 4:28:03 AM PDT by 22202NOVA (Tagline? I don't need no stinking tagline!)
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To: Cowboy Bob

...which would make sense if Trump was at all anti Union, which he is not. Project much?


9 posted on 08/16/2015 4:35:03 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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I am retired military and I work for the VA. I am here to tell you that not everyone in the VA is not as useless as is being made out. However there are enough who are that they make it impossible for the VA to be successful. The VA is case study for the Peter Principle. Rarely does anyone get fired for being unable to do the job and in most cases they are promoted into management. That is no joke or exaggeration. I have seen it over and over. The amount of nepotism and racial favoritism in hiring I have seen is unbeleivable. Those who want and try to do a good job are never rewarded but instead are given the work of those who can’t do the job who wind up becoming their supervisor. I look at all the supervisors in my area and I don’t see one that I would consider competent as a supervisor or one that I would ever hire. So those who care and want to do the job remain at the bottom, trying every day to do the best the system will allow them to do, while the rest figure out ways to get promoted into jobs they are unqualified to do. The union is also a joke. It is totally self serving and promotes the continued employment of the lazy and incompetent. If the VA paid employees based on merit or productivity and fired those who could not make a minimum it just might have a chance of fulfilling its mission. However that is not something the union would ever stand for. I for one don’t hold much hope for and sustained improvement in the VA. I am also afraid that making it easier to fire all VA employees will just become a way for the very ones who are the problem to be able to replace the few good apples at the bottom with their relatives, friends, or of similar ethnic persuasion who like them have no desire or ability to do a good job.


10 posted on 08/16/2015 4:36:38 AM PDT by TonyM
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To: 22202NOVA

we ALL have experience with the Government....


11 posted on 08/16/2015 4:36:43 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: TonyM
I am retired military and I work for the VA. I am here to tell you that not everyone in the VA is not as useless as is being made out. However there are enough who are that they make it impossible for the VA to be successful. The VA is case study for the Peter Principle. Rarely does anyone get fired for being unable to do the job and in most cases they are promoted into management. That is no joke or exaggeration. I have seen it over and over. The amount of nepotism and racial favoritism in hiring I have seen is unbeleivable

that's not just the VA, that's gummint at ALL LEVELS

12 posted on 08/16/2015 4:37:53 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Trump is pro Union? You must have him confused with Trumka.


13 posted on 08/16/2015 4:54:34 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Isn't it funny that Socialists never want to share their own money?)
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Trump is pro Union? You must have him confused with Trumka.

HAH, no, YOU are the one confused...confusing Trump reality versus your Trump fantasy. Uh, check this out. This is NOT a union buster. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viPmTcrORHE

14 posted on 08/16/2015 4:59:46 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Here Trump seems confused on difference between public and private unions, and as we know, he loves private unions.

http://suzyrice.com/2011/03/donald-trump-on-fox-today-hits-more-than-misses/


15 posted on 08/16/2015 5:01:13 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: 22202NOVA; Joe Boucher

I have experience with the government. I think 60% is probably low.


16 posted on 08/16/2015 5:04:58 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Henry Bowman where are you?)
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To: Cowboy Bob

And here, Trump is not even against forced unionization in the private sector, WTF makes you think he’s the least bit concerned about government unions???? He’s not.He thinks the ‘make great products, go great work’

https://www.conservativereview.com/2016-presidential-candidates/candidates/donald-trump#article-14


17 posted on 08/16/2015 5:06:28 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

From first-hand experience as a Federal worker, I can attest that it can take several years to fire even a low-level worker. It wears one out as the time goes on.


18 posted on 08/16/2015 5:26:11 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Fhios

I see you want to create new government jobs and expand the federal work force.

You could get about 4%, for free, if you just fired the ones that won’t pay their taxes.

My plan is a LOT cheaper than your plan.


19 posted on 08/16/2015 5:29:49 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: TonyM

I have a feeling that there is no way to truly “fix” the VA. I would give each veteran a voucher to get their own medical insurance, sell the VA hospitals’ assets to private entities, and have VA employees get jobs in the resulting private-sector medical systems.


20 posted on 08/16/2015 5:37:58 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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