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TRUMAN WARNS JAPAN: QUIT OR BE DESTROYED; SOVIET PINCERS DRIVE 14 MILES INTO MANCHURIA (8/10/45)
Microfilm-New York Times archives, Monterey Public Library | 8/10/45 | Felix Belair, Clinton Green, Robert Trumbull, W.H. Lawrence, Brooks Atkinson, more

Posted on 08/10/2015 4:22:03 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: history; milhist; realtime; worldwarii
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To: 21twelve

I’m pretty sure it was the latter.


41 posted on 08/10/2015 11:21:08 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Jeb Bush is on track to be the next President................. Of Mexico....)
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To: alfa6
The Japanese Military could always hold out hope that the Japanese Spirit would prevail against the conventional arms. That hadn’t worked out to well for the Japanese so far, eh?

That’s why I loved the quote attributed to Hirohito at the Imperial Conference, when the hotheaded generals are still foaming at the mouth about continuing the war.

“Some advocate a decisive battle in the homeland as the way to survival. In past experience, however, there has always been a discrepancy between the fighting services’ plans and the results.”

For the military men in the room, that had to leave a mark. I’m surprised they didn’t all go do the “belly-cut” after hearing that.

42 posted on 08/10/2015 11:22:05 AM PDT by henkster (Where'd my tagline go?)
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To: dsc
"CATHOLIC NEWSPAPER ASSAILS ATOMIC BOMB"--page 17:

"...utterly and absolutely indefensible...immorality..."
"...the indiscriminate massacre of civilians by whatever means creates appalling precedents for the future."

43 posted on 08/10/2015 11:28:17 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: henkster

Not just “sometimes” or “often” or “usually,” but “always.” I suspect we both appreciate a simple, aptly turned phrase loaded with meaning. It’s a sharp, sharp blade, samurai-sword sharp. In a sense, he belly-cut them by proxy.


44 posted on 08/10/2015 11:32:56 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: henkster
I’m surprised they didn’t all go do the “belly-cut” after hearing that.

Me too.

45 posted on 08/10/2015 11:34:38 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Jeb Bush is on track to be the next President................. Of Mexico....)
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To: 21twelve
Do you know if they had maintained a large army in the east as a defense against a possible Japanese invasion - or did they need to bring over large amounts of troops from Europe?

The answer is "yes." Of course, it depends on when you are looking at the Soviet strength in the East. Before June 1941, the USSR kept a large army in the Far East because of the 1939 clashes with the Japanese at Nomonhon/Khalkin Gol. But in the fall, when Soviet spy Richard Sorge confirmed the Japanese were going south, not north, Stalin was able to shift about 30 well trained and well equipped divisions from the Far East for the Battle of Moscow.

Thereafter, the Soviets rebuilt their Far Eastern Military District. Command was given to Maxim Purkayev, who had commanded Kalinin Front against the Germans in Fall 1942-winter 1943. He was sacked as a result of the failed Operation Mars, but was still a fairly capable commander. While the Soviet forces were never on a par with what was committed in the west, from 1943 on, the Far East Military Districts were well manned and relatively well equipped. The Soviets always feared a Japanese intervention.

So while the bulk of the troops used against Japan were already there, the Soviets did augment them with considerable forces from the west, most notably 6th Guards Tank Army, which fought in Ukraine and the Balkans. This unit formed the mobile shock spearhead of the Soviet forces hitting Manchuria from the western flank through Mongolia. That sector had such poor roads and limited rail net, the Japanese were totally surprised when the T34s came out of te desert.

46 posted on 08/10/2015 11:40:46 AM PDT by henkster (Where'd my tagline go?)
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To: EternalVigilance

Stalin agreed at Yalta that after victory in Europe he would attack Japan, which agreement was reconfirmed at Potsdam.


47 posted on 08/10/2015 11:41:55 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: 21twelve

The troops invading Manchuria were almost all brought from Europe. The reason Stalin remained neutral with Japan is that he could not afford a two front war. Now that he won in Europe he wants to grab what he can in Asia.


48 posted on 08/10/2015 11:43:45 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Hebrews 11:6

I wonder if the editor of that newspaper had a son or nephew slated for the first wave ashore in Operation Olympic. Or whether he was going to sit down to a decent, filling meal that night. Because the average Japanese was starving, and the fanatical psychopaths running that country would have starved every child to death in order to continue the war. Only the bombs stopped that from happening.

The only subsequent solace about the terrible nature of the bombs is that in the past 70 years, none have been used.


49 posted on 08/10/2015 11:47:06 AM PDT by henkster (Where'd my tagline go?)
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To: colorado tanker

Are you and I going to have a spat on this? I’ll go home and see what sources I have regarding specific troop transfers, but my recollection is that most of the troops were already there, but heavily augmented. The biggest delay was shipping supplies, munitions and trucks to the east in anticipation of the offensive.

I’ll see what my sources say, though.


50 posted on 08/10/2015 11:50:00 AM PDT by henkster (Where'd my tagline go?)
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To: henkster
Only the bombs stopped that from happening.

Yes, and it took two. The canard that even the United States could only build one had to be disproved. Only after the second bomb did Suzuki play out his sleight of hand to get the Emperor to order the Army to surrender.

It was truly evil what the Army commanders were putting the Japanese people through.

51 posted on 08/10/2015 11:57:16 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: henkster
I was just reciting my recollection of a few posts about the troops in the Far East offensive being veterans of the Eastern Front. I didn't fact check it, though.

I agree Stalin had troops in the Far East to guard against any Japanese attack, but until 1944 and the success of Operation Bagration he really couldn't afford to fight Japan at the same time as Germany. Even after that he wanted to concentrate on Europe to grab as much of Germany and Central Europe as he could.

52 posted on 08/10/2015 12:03:08 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: henkster
He was merely echoing what the Vatican had pronounced two days earlier ("m s, m d").

My refutation of the Vatican's shallow, uninformed stance

53 posted on 08/10/2015 12:03:40 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: colorado tanker; henkster

Come on, don’t equivocate! Stand up like men! It’s about time we had a good ol’ knock-down/drag-out here.


54 posted on 08/10/2015 12:05:46 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Hebrews 11:6; henkster
Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
55 posted on 08/10/2015 12:09:57 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Hebrews 11:6; colorado tanker

I’m having a flashback; the last guy who tried to egg me on to fight a friend was Jeff Stone in 8th grade gym class when he tried to get me to fight Dave Carlson.


56 posted on 08/10/2015 12:13:21 PM PDT by henkster (Where'd my tagline go?)
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To: colorado tanker; henkster

That’s more like it. You can never have enough adrenaline and testosterone. Let him have it!


57 posted on 08/10/2015 12:13:53 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: henkster

Who won?


58 posted on 08/10/2015 12:14:27 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

Carlson & I; we wound up beating the crap out of Stone. Draw your own conclusions from the parallel.

Our gym teacher, Mr. McCormick, was an old Marine veteran; his “rule” was that if you had a problem with another student, you go to the locker room to settle it among yourselves. You just couldn’t do it in the gym during class. It’s too bad you can’t do that today.


59 posted on 08/10/2015 12:19:43 PM PDT by henkster (Where'd my tagline go?)
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To: henkster
My pappy taught us, "Never start a fight, but always finish one."

My younger brother and I are only ten-and-one-half months apart and fought pretty-near non-stop for several years. One day my dad got so tired of it he laid the garden hose in a square on the front lawn, made us put on boxing gloves, and wail on each other until we could no longer raise our hands. It's as vivid a memory for me as your group beatdown of poor, defenceless Jeff Stone.

60 posted on 08/10/2015 12:25:01 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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