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Help me vet this since one of the comments below the article says this is only an excerpt, though the additional info they provide does NOTHING to offset Carly's declaration that Islamic Civilization was the "Greatest In The World"

I found it interesting.

1 posted on 08/09/2015 4:16:28 PM PDT by austinaero
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30 posted on 08/09/2015 4:36:59 PM PDT by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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For context, here's the entire speech.

CARLY FIORINA
MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA
SEPTEMBER 26, 2001
"TECHNOLOGY, BUSINESS AND OUR WAY OF LIFE: WHAT'S NEXT"

And here's the pertinent section.


I’ll end by telling a story.

There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization’s commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

And this civilization was driven more than anything, by invention. Its architects designed buildings that defied gravity. Its mathematicians created the algebra and algorithms that would enable the building of computers, and the creation of encryption. Its doctors examined the human body, and found new cures for disease. Its astronomers looked into the heavens, named the stars, and paved the way for space travel and exploration.

Its writers created thousands of stories. Stories of courage, romance and magic. Its poets wrote of love, when others before them were too steeped in fear to think of such things.

When other nations were afraid of ideas, this civilization thrived on them, and kept them alive. When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive, and passed it on to others.

While modern Western civilization shares many of these traits, the civilization I’m talking about was the Islamic world from the year 800 to 1600, which included the Ottoman Empire and the courts of Baghdad, Damascus and Cairo, and enlightened rulers like Suleiman the Magnificent.

Although we are often unaware of our indebtedness to this other civilization, its gifts are very much a part of our heritage. The technology industry would not exist without the contributions of Arab mathematicians. Sufi poet-philosophers like Rumi challenged our notions of self and truth. Leaders like Suleiman contributed to our notions of tolerance and civic leadership.

And perhaps we can learn a lesson from his example: It was leadership based on meritocracy, not inheritance. It was leadership that harnessed the full capabilities of a very diverse population–that included Christianity, Islamic, and Jewish traditions.

This kind of enlightened leadership — leadership that nurtured culture, sustainability, diversity and courage — led to 800 years of invention and prosperity.

In dark and serious times like this, we must affirm our commitment to building societies and institutions that aspire to this kind of greatness. More than ever, we must focus on the importance of leadership– bold acts of leadership and decidedly personal acts of leadership.

With that, I’d like to open up the conversation and see what we, collectively, believe about the role of leadership.



32 posted on 08/09/2015 4:39:35 PM PDT by Bratch
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The jewel of civilization used to be the eastern Mediterranean which was Greece, Persia, Babylon, Egypt, Juda, Carthage, etc. Islam inherited the wealthiest, most educated and cultured part of the ancient world. It took a while but Islam managed to turn those great civilizations of the eastern Mediterranean into tribal goat f**kers. Islam has not contributed a damn thing to civilization. But Islam is good a taken credit for the work of other civilizations.
35 posted on 08/09/2015 4:41:12 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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No way to correct stupid.


40 posted on 08/09/2015 4:45:20 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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They once were. Florina is correct.


43 posted on 08/09/2015 4:49:33 PM PDT by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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"When censors threatened to wipe out knowledge from past civilizations, this civilization kept the knowledge alive"

If you want to dig things up in Egypt, it would not be unusual to have a 'guard' who ensures that you don't expose an antiquity that might be embarrassing to the ROP. History is what the ROP says it is.

44 posted on 08/09/2015 4:49:39 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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Islamic Civilization

An Oxymoron


45 posted on 08/09/2015 4:50:03 PM PDT by dfwgator
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> Carly Fiorina: Islamic Civilization was “Greatest in the World”
Islam was not the greatest. Any greatness attributed to them was actually from their very educated Greek slaves.


47 posted on 08/09/2015 4:52:11 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Political Correctness is Supression of Free Speech. Thank the Commies for Political Correctness.)
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The “Golden Age” of Islam was also when its religious tenets were relaxed the most. Caliphs blatantly ignored the prohibition of alcohol, the Quran was taken symbolically and twisted on pretzels to allow for such society to develop.

Notice how the jihadis never mention the Abbasid Caliphate as a model. They hate it, because they know how they often were Islamic in name only.

Many famous scholars were minorities, like Syriac Christians. A jihadi Caliphate would never allow such intellectual development.


49 posted on 08/09/2015 4:55:46 PM PDT by Shadow44
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It’s obvious she is speaking of a long past time when Islamic society was, by the standards of that time, more enlightened than much of the rest of the world.

She’s in no way speaking of present day Islam and it’s disingenuous to imply otherwise.


52 posted on 08/09/2015 5:01:16 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines (Obama loves America the way OJ loved Nicole)
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Carly Fiorina is “permanently” off my list ... she knows nothing about the ignorant brutality of islam ...


53 posted on 08/09/2015 5:04:06 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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There was once a civilization that was the greatest in the world.

It was able to create a continental super-state that stretched from ocean to ocean, and from northern climes to tropics and deserts. Within its dominion lived hundreds of millions of people, of different creeds and ethnic origins.

One of its languages became the universal language of much of the world, the bridge between the peoples of a hundred lands. Its armies were made up of people of many nationalities, and its military protection allowed a degree of peace and prosperity that had never been known. The reach of this civilization's commerce extended from Latin America to China, and everywhere in between.

That was not a unified civilization and it was no "super-state." From 800-1600 and onward to today, the region has undergone nonstop turmoil. In the 20th century, geopolitical theorist Halford Mackinder characterized the region as a "shatterbelt," a description that was as apt in 800 as it is today.

61 posted on 08/09/2015 5:29:29 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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She needs to read up on the Battle of Otranto; the Barbary Pirates; and the Ottoman empire and their use of janissaries.

But she likely won't. Because jizya diversity.

62 posted on 08/09/2015 5:30:17 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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Hey Carly..you ignorant woman! It WASNT ISLAMIC at the time you refer to. What a dumb...

Babylonian, Medio-Persian, Greek, Roman, etc. I forgot Egypt. Assyrian? They were rather nasty..much like the ISIS bastards today.

They came in the early dark ages and instantly tried to take over the known world at that time..and dam near did.


68 posted on 08/09/2015 5:41:20 PM PDT by crz
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Related...

Carly Fiorina Attacks Cruz: ‘No Honor’ In Fight To Defund Obamacare
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3322644/posts

Carly Fiorina is open to legal status for adult illegal immigrants, citizenship for their kids
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3322641/posts

To sum it up:

She loves eternally murderous deathcult known as Islam,

she loves Obamacare (aka Rationed, Collectivized Deathcare),

and she loves illegal aliens invading who are destroying our country.

Now I know for sure she’s a Dem.


69 posted on 08/09/2015 5:42:09 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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The ‘Grosste Civilization die Alle Zeiten’ was ROME.

We still live in Rome (in our language and basic conceptions), thanks to the Catholic Church and its monasteries.

Islam originated as a military reaction to the Byzantine Empire.

Islam took what was useful, and used it. They didn’t give a crap about what anybody thought outside of the rantings of their perverse ‘prophet’. Impossible to make any kind of advances when you’d probably get your head whacked off for pissing off some storefront Imam. We can see that dynamic here in the US emerging.


72 posted on 08/09/2015 5:45:14 PM PDT by bakeneko
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Biggest lie by Fiorina who knows little about Islam.

Between the 7th century and 17 the century, Muslims invaded India and brutalized millions of people with massacres, forced conversions, Jizya, & wars with the native Hindu’s.

When India was partitioned by the outgoing British colonialists, the Muslims in India wanted to form the separate country of Pakistan based on predominantly Muslim regions. However there were lot of Hindu’s living there what was to become Pakistan. Those Hindu’s tried to escape Pakistan and in the process suffered the most brutal terror at hands of fanatic Muslims.


73 posted on 08/09/2015 5:47:09 PM PDT by entropy12 (We need a president who says "you are fired", not the professional politician puppets of rich donors)
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And now she insulted the Chinese...who were actually the greatest civilization on earth. Everyone was trying to make fire and the Chinese were advancing in everything.

Problem was, they managed to control their population by nasty means.

Without a doubt the oldest known recorded civilization on earth. Thousands of years old.


74 posted on 08/09/2015 5:49:59 PM PDT by crz
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This is the third article I’ve read today that has me saying; bye bye to Carly.


77 posted on 08/09/2015 5:52:18 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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If someone really wants to understand Islam, look up Churchill, not Fiorina. She is beginning to show signs of Peter Principle...

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

-- Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 [London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899]).

82 posted on 08/09/2015 6:31:32 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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