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Wanted to go see what 2012 looked like at this point (Aug 2011) and the claimthat the "polls at this point are meaningless" is overstated.

I don't hear anyone claiming they are definitive, but if someone did say that this article would disprove that, also.

What I think that we did see, in retrospect, by this time is that the none of the single digit candidates had a path to victory.

Santorum held on long enough to win a few states (For instance, by the time Washington State voted if you wanted to object to Romney you had either Santorum or Ron Paul as your vehicles). But he never really got close to winning the nomination (20% of the total popular vote).

It also shows leaders can crash and burn. Perry and Bachmann both did.

Romney had led four previous months to this poll, Perry entered and flashed to a seemingly big lead, only to fall to earth.

Following this model Jeb Bush is sitting in a good place. Some from the first tier will crash and burn, but probably someone from that tier is going to ultimately prevail.

That's my analysis at least.

1 posted on 08/06/2015 12:01:45 PM PDT by Jack Black
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“Oops.”


2 posted on 08/06/2015 12:02:24 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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Whether or not it’s what I want to hear — you raise a good point.

Thanks.


3 posted on 08/06/2015 12:04:00 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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What a ruse, “as rank-and-file Republicans’ “

So this excludes others as the qual ques was “rank and File” if not thanks for talking have a wonderful day.


5 posted on 08/06/2015 12:05:37 PM PDT by stockpirate (A corrupt government is the real enemy of the people.)
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2011 geeeeez


6 posted on 08/06/2015 12:06:36 PM PDT by stockpirate (A corrupt government is the real enemy of the people.)
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this is a misleading post, it is 6 months old, even before Trump announced.


7 posted on 08/06/2015 12:07:52 PM PDT by stockpirate (A corrupt government is the real enemy of the people.)
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These days, Perry doesn’t zoom, he looms on the outside looking in.


8 posted on 08/06/2015 12:10:58 PM PDT by lee martell (The sag)
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PERRY.... who's that?...

9 posted on 08/06/2015 12:17:28 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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The big difference between then and now is as follows:

In 2011/2012 the base was looking for someone to champion conservatism as Romney wasn't a favorite from our point of view. The rumblings of a good conservative candidate, a Texas governor were all around for months as Perry decided whether or not to run. He gained support with few pronouncements and no official campaign, and became the front runner before he announced.

Once he announced and campaigned, he bit by bit destroyed his own candidacy all by himself, culminating in gaffe after gaffe in the debates.

This race that Trump is dominating has been as a result of his campaign, AND his pronouncements, AND the things he has done since the campaign started.

I'm not saying he won't flame out, just pointing out the major difference, that last time Perry destroyed his own early poll numbers, and this time Trump has earned what he has (so far).

10 posted on 08/06/2015 12:19:24 PM PDT by Lakeshark
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Wanted to go see what 2012 looked like at this point (Aug 2011) and the claimt hat the "polls at this point are meaningless" is overstated.

Not a very relevant comparison. The debates started in May of 2011, so there had been several by August 11. Perry got into the race late and surged to the top of he polls before he even joined the debates. As soon as he joined the debates, he began to tank.

Perry in 2011 was like Fred in 2007. Both were mostly popular and in the lead before they even entered the race. The voters have seen quite a bit of Trump and most all of the candidates this year.

11 posted on 08/06/2015 12:20:00 PM PDT by Will88
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He was a has been in ‘11 and even more so today.


12 posted on 08/06/2015 12:23:01 PM PDT by bgill ( CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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The 2012 primaries were odd in that the conservative base, in such opposition to Romney, did this weird flavor of the month fickle candidate hopping thing. Everyone was on top at one point, and lost that position for the dumbest of reasons. It’ll be intersting to see if that history repeats itself or if the anti-establishment conservatives coalesce around one candidate early to prevent a Bush ascension.


13 posted on 08/06/2015 12:27:03 PM PDT by Reaper19
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“Past results are no guarantee of future performance”

Very difficult concept for many...


15 posted on 08/06/2015 12:28:05 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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wasn’t Rudy dominating the polls at this point last time


17 posted on 08/06/2015 12:30:37 PM PDT by GeronL (Phony Crony Trump is a Chump, Cruz is for real, 100%)
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Santorum didn’t the money, either


20 posted on 08/06/2015 12:40:22 PM PDT by TNMOUTH
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Trump, Cruz, Bush, or Walker. My money is on Trump and Cruz. Hillary will not be Dem nominee.
27 posted on 08/06/2015 1:46:46 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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Zoomed?

Last I heard, he is still at the kiddie table.

Did someone at the big table trip and fall and lose their place?


28 posted on 08/06/2015 1:50:05 PM PDT by TomGuy
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Save a pretzel for the gas jets!


29 posted on 08/06/2015 2:01:01 PM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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A waste of bandwidth.

This is 2015 and Rick Perry blew his opportunity back in November of 2011.


30 posted on 08/06/2015 2:01:18 PM PDT by Iron Munro (We may be paranoid but that doesn't mean they aren't really after us)
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