Posted on 07/30/2015 7:27:09 AM PDT by wagglebee
The New York Times reported this week that the American Boy Scouts are ending a nationwide ban on gay leaders. According to the Times, the organization was seeking to resolve an issue that threatened to tear apart the organization and expose it to crippling lawsuits. Discrimination based on sexual orientation will also be barred in all Boy Scout offices and for all paid jobs. The step, the paper says, is aimed at heading off lawsuits in New York, Colorado and other states that prohibit such discrimination in employment.
It's a pity, however, that the Times missed a shocking story which emerged at the same time as jubilation over the new policy. If they had the stomach for it, it might make readers think twice about the wisdom of allowing the Boy Scouts to have gay leaders.
It is the story of Moira Greyland, a woman who has made a career for herself as a harpist of Celtic music and the founder of two opera companies in the United States. She is the daughter of two American writers. Her mother, Marion Zimmer Bradley, who died in 1999, was a revered author of science fiction and fantasy novels. Her best-known book is the Mists of Avalon, a feminist reimagining of the Arthurian legend. Her second husband, and Moira’s father, Walter Breen, wrote books on numismatics. But her parents had other interests, too.
The story emerged last year when a blogger published two searing autobiographical poems written by Greyland. It was already a matter of public record that Breen was a convicted child abuser who died in jail in 1993. But no one had known how Moira’s own mother treated her. “She was cruel and violent, as well as completely out of her mind sexually,” she wrote in an accompanying email. The news was so convincing that other science fiction writers were horrified and speechless. Some of her fans burned her books.
This week, Greyland gave more details about her childhood on another blog.
"Suffice to say that both parents wanted me to be gay and were horrified at my being female. My mother molested me from ages 3-12. The first time I remember my father doing anything especially violent to me I was five. Yes he raped me. I don’t like to think about it."
Bradley and Breen were part of the gay and bi-sexual subculture of West Coast America. That they were paedophiles was just an added extra, as their daughter testifies.
Greyland writes of her father's profound disgust with her gender, despite his many relationships with women and female victims. "He told me unequivocally that no man would ever want me, because all men are secretly gay and have simply not come to terms with their natural homosexuality." In all this Greyland is exposing, as she sees it, the deep corruption of human nature which is at the heart of modern gender ideology. This virulent strain of gender ideology is determined to use the gay movement -- seen in some quarters as little more than a harmless manifestation of love and affection between people of the same sex -- to advance the total liberation of human beings from any restraint on sexual desire and behaviour.
Greyland is uncompromising in her analysis of what is really going on in this subculture, now fast becoming anything but a "sub" culture:
“Now for all well-meaning people who believe I am extrapolating from my experience to the wider gay community, I would like to explain why I believe this is so. From my experience in the gay community, the values in that community are very different: the assumption is that EVERYONE is gay and closeted, and early sexual experience will prevent gay children from being closeted, and that will make everyone happy.
“If you doubt me, research 'age of consent', 'Twinks', 'ageism' and the writings of the NUMEROUS authors on the Left who believe that early sexuality is somehow 'beneficial' for children.”
She also says that what sets gay culture apart from straight culture is the belief that early sex is good and beneficial. They really believe that the only way to produce another homosexual is to provide a boy with sexual experiences before he can be 'ruined' by attraction to a girl.
“If you’re OK with that, and you might not be, it is worth your consideration. If you think I am wrong, that is your privilege, but watch out for the VAST number of stories of sexual abuse AND transgenderism that will come about from these gay 'marriages'. Already the statistics for sexual abuse of children of gays are astronomically high compared to that suffered by the children of straights.”
Greyland's father preyed on young boys. Eventually the word got around and a man who had given him a place to stay in Los Angeles realized his son was of the age to be a target. This resulted in Breen's conviction on 13 counts of varying kinds of forcible sexual offenses. He died in prison in 1993. She ruefully tells us that "although my mother was perfectly well aware of my father’s crimes, and so was my 'stepmother' [her mother's lesbian lover], I was disbelieved almost up to the moment of his conviction, and discounted as 'hysterical'.“
Greyland identifies a process at work in this culture. She says it should be noted that boy-lovers do not think of what they are doing as “molestation”. To them it is consensual sex. She then describes the evolution which has taken place in her own thinking about the gay movement in the light of what she has been forced to live through. It began to dawn on her that:
"" ... maybe the gayness WAS an issue. Naturally, I had been brought up to be completely tolerant. Years ago I read (Jeffrey) Satinover, who believed that gays were largely 'pansexual' that is, preferring sex with EVERYONE of EVERY age and EVERY gender rather than wanting to be limited to one person, and he regarded it, credibly, as a moral and ethical problem, rather than a sexual 'orientation'...”
Her interpretation of her parents actual beliefs is this:
“Since everyone is naturally gay, it is the straight establishment that makes everyone hung up and therefore limited. Sex early will make people willing to have sex with everyone, which will bring about the utopia while eliminating homophobia and helping people become 'who they really are'. It will also destroy the hated nuclear family with its paternalism, sexism, ageism (yes, for pedophiles, that is a thing) and all other 'isms'. If enough children are sexualized young enough, gayness will suddenly be 'normal' and accepted by everyone, and the old fashioned notions about fidelity will vanish. As sex is integrated as a natural part of every single relationship, the barriers between people will vanish, and the utopia will appear, as 'straight culture' goes the way of the dinosaur. As my mother used to say: 'Children are brainwashed into believing they don’t want sex'.
“I know, I know. The stupidity of that particular thesis is boundless, and the actual consequence is forty-year-olds in therapy for sexual abuse, many, many suicides, and ruined lives for just about EVERYONE. But someone needed to say it. Will anyone hear it? There were six Johnny Does at my father’s trial, who would not testify, and two victims, who did. One of the victims I am in touch with. He was silenced so fiercely by fans of my mother years ago that he is not able to talk about it to this day. I don’t know the fate of all the Johnny Does, but I do know one of them is dead in his forties from an eating disorder, never having been able to talk about what happened, and I know at least one of the people on the list of 22 names I gave the cops as a potential abuse victim died from suicide last year. I also know a number of victims of my father who would not testify because they love him. As a personal note, I can understand why: of my parents, he was by far the kinder one.”
Moira Greyland met Katy Faust – on whose blog she has published this searing account of her experiences – online. (Faust is one of the six children of gays who filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court opposing gay marriage prior to the Obergefell judgment.) Her views have hardened on the issue: it IS homosexuality that is the problem. It IS the belief that all sex all the time will somehow cure problems instead of creating them that is the problem. Greyland continues:
“So I have begun to speak out against gay marriage, and in doing so, I have alienated most of even my strongest supporters. After all, they need to see my parents as wacky sex criminals, not as homosexuals following their deeply held ethical positions and trying to create a utopia according to a rather silly fantasy. They do not have the willingness to accept the possibility that homosexuality might actually have the result of destroying children and even destroying the adults who insist on remaining in its thrall.
“Naturally my perspective is very uncomfortable to the liberal people I was raised with: I am 'allowed' to be a victim of molestation by both parents, and ‘allowed’ to be a victim of rather hideous violence. I am, incredibly, NOT ALLOWED to blame their homosexuality for their absolute willingness to accept all sex at all times between all people.
“But that is not going to slow me down one bit. I am going to keep right on speaking out. I have been silent for entirely too long. Gay 'marriage' is nothing but a way to make children over in the image of their 'parents' and in ten to thirty years, the survivors will speak out.
“In the meantime, I will."
In ten to thirty years, what will former Boy Scouts say about some of their openly gay adult leaders and employees? Will Moira Greyland be saying, “I told you so”?
Michael Kirke lives in Dublin and blogs at Garvan Hill.
Which is exactly what will happen with the Boy Scouts.
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The Boy Scouts of America won’t be around in 30 years...
This is a very very important observation that helps explain the obsession with sex among homosexual culture
This is also what happens when we decide to conjure up our own moral code without any regard for the Creator of the universe.Me,me,me.....
I hope all the folks out there, even Christians, who support gay marriage enjoy your self-righteousness.May your children not be harmed by what this country is becoming.If they are, will you recognize your complicity?
And Moira, you have great courage.
One way to avoid any possible sexual abuse of your sons: keep them out of the BSA.
Sure
And keep them out of schools ( public and private), sports teams , churches and youth groups, don’t let them watch movies, TV, or listen to music, keep them off the internet, watch out for neighbors .....
Feel safe from homosexuals now? Am I forgetting anything?
Yes. Without God, everything is permissible. (Dostoevsky). Freud even stated that without restraint of the sexual instinct, there would be total chaos and collapse of culture. (That is what the Left wants.) Without Virtue, Freedom collapses and outside institutions step in always.
We are ejecting Christian Ethics for a collective, paganism, where Vice is rampant. As Cicero stated, Wisdom is discerning Good and Evil and we are programing evil into very young children to habituate evil.....so they will never mature and be Wise, and they will only be slaves of their vices which will give power to the State.
Vice only creates slaves, tribal minds who are easily controlled by their vice. “Libido Dominandi” states that Sexual Liberation always leads to total collapse of cultures like with the French Revolution and Lenin’s Revolution and with the Weimar Republic where homosexuality was the National Vice.
As far as my family and our children go, the BSA is already gone. We will not join, we will not participate, we will not donate. It's done.
Still, they avoided those "crippling lawsuits" and they kept their money and that was the whole reason for their capitulation, wasn't it?
They already are. Warning, this is ugly.
http://askthebigot.com/2015/07/23/the-story-of-moira-greyland-guest-post/
I said “one way”, as in one way among others. Unless, of course, you’ve just given up.
With this change, parents that allow their son to join any manifestation of the Boy Scouts should be charged with child endangerment.
sorry, didn’t read all your post before I posted the same story link.
I won't be around then, likely, but just in case, I told you so!
The safest place for the vulnerable child has ALWAYS been the Natural Family. That is why the destruction of the Natural Family and their removal to artificial institutions younger than age 8 and England it was off to the “boarding” schools—to emotionally cripple all the children and to make them into collective, socialist “thinkers”.
The whole system was set up to destroy Virtue in children. As GK Chesterton said a hundred years ago-—that the only purpose of mandatory “education” was to destroy the Common Sense in the Common people.
Removal from the Natural Family deforms the child emotionally and warps how they see the World and Reality. We should homeschool and bring tutors into the home if necessary-—under guidance of the only people who truly care about the child. Morality is instilled and habituted by having moral, loving relationships and male/female loving role models-—not by peer pressure and puerile “group” think into idiocy and complete dependency. (perfect useful idiots). Self reliance and individuality and thinking outside the box only comes from an environment free of “group think” influences. It comes from relationships with Reality and Natural Laws (truth/biology).
Large groups (same age—Prussian system) was all for group pressure to flip Good and Evil in little children and create a dependency to destroy Virtue (incentives/perseverance/true self-esteem)-—to destroy Virtue formation, since without Virtue, freedom is impossible. It was intentional.....John Dewey, the socialist, was the signer of the Humanist Manifesto.
I quit the Boy Scouts in 1954 when I realized the leader was a homosexual and he was teaching “his” Scouts how to be homosexual.
I was naive, and did not know much about sex, but I knew I DID NOT WANT TO DO THAT!
I have intensely disliked male homosexuals ever since, and will have nothing whatsoever to do with them!
HST, if a male homosexual keeps his preferences to himself and behaves in a civilized, “non-homosexual” manner, I could care less what he does in his own bedroom.
IOW, I don’t tolerate faggoty behavior in my presence!
The Boy Scouts of America won’t be around in 30 years...
In 30 years, the BSA will not be about learning useful life skills. It will be about promoting homosexual behavior.
BSA should move its HQ to MA, the Homosexual State.
Fascinating read. Thank you very much for posting it.
Right with you.
I was a scout leader in my son’s troop.
When they “train” a leader, they stress 2 deep leadership so that at no time, an adult leader is alone with one scout.
The purpose for this was to prevent abuse and legally protect the adult leader.
That just got thrown out the window.
My scout stuff from when I was a scout is now in a landfill where it belongs.
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