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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Westbrook
Not necessarily so! Not at all. As I posted yesterday:

Had Perot not been paranoid--remember he was surging in the polls before he pulled out--and then reentered, but with no where near the support before the paranoid event, ending up with only 19% of the vote;--he could have really rattled the dentures of the major parties.

The other problem that Perot had--which Trump would not have had--is that he could not speak extemporaneously on television, but looked totally spaced out, reading off a teleprompter behind the camera. I have personally used TV for half hour speeches in a campaign and can attest the effectiveness, if one can extemporize.

The reason to keep the Third Party option viable, is the changing demographics, that the Left is counting on to make Conservatives a permanent minority. A strong and articulate candidate, who lets the mindless acceptors of Leftist premises split their vote between the Democrats and the sort of "Republicans," who prattle their own version of the same acceptance of Socialist values, just might pull it off.

No! I am not suggesting that that is the ideal approach at this point. But a strategy on that order, might prove our last resort, if we cannot recapture the Republican Party next year. (And keep in mind that even if we do, a Cruz nomination might well provoke a Corporate CEO 2016 version of Republicans for Johnson, such as the Rockefeller branch of the Party hit Barry Goldwater with in 1964.)

The problem is complex. So we have to keep all options open.

Plus, another historical note. Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose Third Party, which actually outpolled the Republican Party in 1912, lost to Wilson==but the mere threat of a revival by Hiram Johnson or William Borah was the whip that kept Henry Cabot Lodge from cutting off the debate that the irreconcilables finally won to defeat Wilson's League of Nations; leading to the overwhelming landslide of 1920.

117 posted on 07/23/2015 7:45:45 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan; Impy; fieldmarshaldj

“Plus, another historical note. Teddy Roosevelt’s Bull Moose Third Party, which actually outpolled the Republican Party in 1912, lost to Wilson==but the mere threat of a revival by Hiram Johnson or William Borah was the whip that kept Henry Cabot Lodge from cutting off the debate that the irreconcilables finally won to defeat Wilson’s League of Nations; leading to the overwhelming landslide of 1920.”


Well, there would not have been a second Wilson term (and thus no Wilsonian League of Nations) had Progressive Senator Hiram Johnson of California not sat on his hands and refused to campaign for Charles Evans Hughes in 1916 (Hughes would have been elected president had he received California’s 13 electoral votes, but he lost the state by a mere 3,773 votes, or 0.38% of the state’s vote).

In any event, by 1912 Teddy Roosevelt was as liberal as Wilson or Socialist Eugene Debs on many issues, and it was by abandoning the Progressive Party’s policies that the GOP started winning landslides and governing like conservatives under Harding and Coolidge.


170 posted on 07/23/2015 11:49:20 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Ohioan; AuH2ORepublican; Cincinatus' Wife

Third party is not an option. Anti-dem vote splits and the dem wins, period. Trump couldn’t win a race as an “I” unless the Republican dropped out, if even then.

Hiram Johnson and William Borah were leftist scumbags by the way.


183 posted on 07/23/2015 1:08:22 PM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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