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Jonah Goldberg: Trump Fans, It's Time for an Intervention
National Review Online ^ | 7-11-2015 | Jonah Goldberg (or…)

Posted on 07/13/2015 9:26:59 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright

Isnip)......I truly, honestly, and with all my heart and mind think Donald Trump’s most ardent supporters are making a yuuuuuuge mistake. I think they are being conned and played. I feel like a guy whose brother is being taken advantage of by a grifter. I’m watching helplessly as the con artist congratulates him for taking out a third mortgage......(snip)

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To: Diago

Messenger well and truly shot. Nice work.


121 posted on 07/13/2015 10:17:58 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("No social transformation without representation." - Justice Antonin Scalia)
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To: subterfuge

I like and agree with a lot of what he is saying as well.

I just can’t shake that nagging feeling that somehow the Clinton’s are quietly “Peroting” us again. Who stands to gain the most from Trump’s rise in the polls? It’s still very early, but if he starts to fade and looks to go independent, I have to assume this is being orchestrated by the shrill.


122 posted on 07/13/2015 10:18:17 AM PDT by okkev68
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Donald Trump is the politically incorrect answer to political correctness.

He has my attention.


123 posted on 07/13/2015 10:18:45 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (Resistance to Tyrants is obedience to God!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I like Trump only in so far is that real conservative candidates need to use him as an example on how to cut through the lib-dem crap.


124 posted on 07/13/2015 10:21:34 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: Sans-Culotte
I think at some point we need to stop and think about what our conservativism really means. We are conservative because we wish to return to the philosophy on which our country was founded, and that is classic liberalism (which is rooted in the belief in natural law — and the moral foundation of JudeoChristianity.) Using this definition, just how and in what way is Donald Trump not a classical liberal? The so-called liberals of our age, are not liberal at all, they are in fact socialist and feudalist. If you do not know what classic liberalism is, please research this important concept, and stop calling yourself conservative until you understand exactly why you call yourself conservative, and then judge each candidate by that standard. If you do that, I think you will find that Donald Trump, despite his many faults is indeed a classic liberal, and thus a “conservative.” (Trump is not my favorite candidate by the way, those would be Walker/Cruz.)
125 posted on 07/13/2015 10:21:46 AM PDT by erkelly
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To: bkepley
He may be an unwitting liberal, but he is most certainly a liberal. From his declared support of abortion, to his declared support of banning guns. Donald Trump is a liberal.

He doesn't know squat about politics, though, as evidence by his endorsing Mitch McConnell for "speaker" of the senate.


126 posted on 07/13/2015 10:22:07 AM PDT by South40 ("I probably identify more as a Democrat." ~Donald Trump)
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To: Will88

With over 120 replies in this thread, it would suggest that your fellow FReepers aren’t done talking about this, eh?


127 posted on 07/13/2015 10:22:42 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Raycpa
and sooner or later we will know what Trump is promoting

I already know. He is promoting himself.

128 posted on 07/13/2015 10:23:17 AM PDT by South40 ("I probably identify more as a Democrat." ~Donald Trump)
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To: South40
He is promoting himself.

But for what purpose? Promoters always have a specific tangible purpose in mind.

129 posted on 07/13/2015 10:25:42 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: cripplecreek

Great point about Hunter. If FReepers wanted border security he was the perfect candidate.


130 posted on 07/13/2015 10:26:03 AM PDT by South40 ("I probably identify more as a Democrat." ~Donald Trump)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I understand where Jonah is coming from, but his choice of words is on the groteque side.

Trump is a guy who is speaking what the sane people think and say, but cannot get traction on. He does not need to pander, but there could be an aspect of that in his bravado.

Cruz and Walker are the only others to have spoken with so much backbone. Of these two, Walker has hired the man who got Thad Cochran in office again to run his election campaign and stayed comparatively silent on Trump’s positions. Cruz has stood by Trump’s stance.

I trust Cruz more, by far, on the issues. But I would be extremely happy to see all others but these two gone before the primary voting starts.

Any candidate not speaking out against illegal immigration is a joke—and not Trump.

Jonah sounds like Lindsay Graham, but with harsher words.

Jonah needs to let people decide through honest means, rather than by smear.

You should, too.


131 posted on 07/13/2015 10:26:10 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: okkev68

Trump may be a lot of things but being someone’s sock puppet isn’t one of them. A guy with Trump’s ego isn’t going to play second fiddle for anyone.

We may not know why he’s doing it or what he really believes but you can bet it’s solely for his own reasons.

Maybe he began it as a lark and the thing took off way more than he ever expected. Maybe he thinks that America is collapsing and as a patriot he will try to save it. Whatever it is enjoy the show, we may not see anything like it again.


132 posted on 07/13/2015 10:26:42 AM PDT by Pelham (Deo Vindice)
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To: Raycpa
But for what purpose? Promoters always have a specific tangible purpose in mind.

He has everything money can buy save for what? The White House.

133 posted on 07/13/2015 10:27:10 AM PDT by South40 ("I probably identify more as a Democrat." ~Donald Trump)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Well, I’m not a big Trump supporter, but I think he’s really adding a lot to the debate. He is actually giving cover to other conservatives and allowing them to appear very reasonable, while still making strong conservative points. This is the first time we have really had someone who can make the rest of our candidates look good to libs ;)


134 posted on 07/13/2015 10:27:15 AM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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To: cripplecreek; pissant
Duncan Hunter ... was ignored by the same FReepers who now claim Donald Trump is our only hope.

That's a fact. And pissant could prove it all day long.

135 posted on 07/13/2015 10:29:23 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
This guy doesn't have a single question on trade and calls himself a journalist? Trump maintains that our policies on International Trade are at the root of our economic and high unemployment problems. That realization more than anything else separates Trump from the crowd.

Illegal immigration is a second major cause of the high unemployment. But because of the reaction to some of Trumps statements, it's taken center stage.

Here's an answer to his questions:

Immigration: Question: Just how many rapists and drug dealers did Donald Trump want to give green cards to?

Slanderous cheap shot since Trump is on record wanting to deport the criminals and the sponges. And no candidate, not even Cruz has said he will deport them all. Trump is right when he says there has to be a path for legalization. You cannot fix this problem because it's gone on for 30 years, and there have been marriages and children and business partnerships, and etc. There is no just way to deport them all. Trump wants to halt the hemmorage and deport the worst. Cruz wants to halt the hemmorage and only then talk about what to do with the ones that are here.

Abortion: at least he’s flip-flopping in the right direction, and I don’t like to second guess peoples’ professed religious convictions.

Yet this asswipe did second guess him. And one change in the right direction hardly makes Trump a flip-flopper.

"Obamacare: The man wrote in his own book and said elsewhere that he was in favor of Canadian-style socialized medicine"

Here's Trumps actual statements on Healthcare. He is for repeal of Obamacare, but he also wants to find market based ways to take care of all of our people.

Hillary: Speaking of her, Trump praised Hillary Clinton and her health-care reform plan — in 2007!

Trump change of heart on Hillary And What he really said was in the context of her running for the democrat nomination

Economics: People tout the guy’s business record. But he represents almost exactly what his supporters think he opposes. He’s a crony capitalist par excellence. He gives to whatever politician can grease the skids for his next deal — and he makes no apologies for it. He’s an eminent-domain voluptuary. He abuses bankruptcy laws like a stack of homemade get-out-of-jail-free cards.

Well the author effectively excuses Trump for his donations to the democrats acknowledging that it's just business. But he tirades against Trump for using Corporate structures to manage risk the way they were designed to be used. I can see why Trump made fun of him.

Seriously, This guy is not looking at the issues as much as he is looking at a way to attack Trump. Here's a more comprehensive look. Is Trump perfect? No. Are any of them? No. Trump understands the economy better than any of them.

Trump on the issues

136 posted on 07/13/2015 10:29:26 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Jonah... it not Trump I support...this the truth he is willing to say and keep saying..and your and others will not say and want to silence being said..
137 posted on 07/13/2015 10:31:55 AM PDT by tophat9000 (SCOTUS=Newspeak)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

RE: #99

I like the way you think. I won’t vote for Trump in the primary, instead I’ll pick Cruz. I do like what Trump has done by getting this issue out in the open and forcing the spineless RINO’s to “out” themselves. By doing this, low information voters now know what squishes Christie, JEB, Lindsey, and Rubio are.


138 posted on 07/13/2015 10:32:02 AM PDT by Tailback
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To: C. Edmund Wright
To borrow a line from Mark Steyn, a President Trump would have more ex-wives than the previous 44 presidents combined.

That's actually pretty funny.

Goldberg says a lot of interesting things here... but I keep going back to this question:

Where would the party be RIGHT NOW if there was no Donald Trump in the mix?

Jeb Bush frontrunner, that's where.

And for me, nothing is worse that that.

N O T H I N G

139 posted on 07/13/2015 10:32:03 AM PDT by samtheman (Trump/Cruz '16)
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To: driftless2

I subscribed from 1976 to 1990. By 1990 the great writers I had once read there had left or been booted by the new crowd. It’s only gotten worse.


140 posted on 07/13/2015 10:32:03 AM PDT by Pelham (Deo Vindice)
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