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Trump’s ‘facts’ on Mexicans and crime are just wrong (Linda Chavez on NY Post Just Now)
The NY Post.com ^ | 7/10/2015 | Linda Chavez

Posted on 07/10/2015 6:51:38 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ

..But what about Trump’s contention that Mexico is sending us criminals and rapists? In fact, the very opposite is true. Mexican immigrants, legal and illegal, like all immigrants, have lower rates of criminal behavior than the native born...

...As for incarceration rates, immigrant men ages 18 to 39 are less than half as likely to be incarcerated than native-born men the same age, according to the Ewing study.

Mexican men are even less likely to be incarcerated: Their rates are one-third that of natives with similar demographic characteristics.

And Salvadoran and Guatemalan men are incarcerated at one-fifth the rate of native-born men without a high school degree — the group most likely to commit violent crimes....

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: chavez; immigration; mexicans; trump
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This article by this woman and her facts are directly at odds with Rush's and others' that I respect claims that Trump has very solid figures behind his statements. Of course, I'm inclined to believe them over someone named Chavez who has associations in the past with La Raza, but it is strange the Post and also National Review are giving her post time.

I was hoping someone with a better understanding of the true stats than I could let me know why Chavez is full of it with this post.

Also, I am saddened that the Post, usually reliably conservative around here, would let her push this falsehood on the front page of their online site.

1 posted on 07/10/2015 6:51:39 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Just for laughs, look at how Texas racially classifies criminals.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/Texas10MostWanted/fugitives.aspx


2 posted on 07/10/2015 6:55:24 PM PDT by Ultima
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Once a celebrated token conservative Latino, Linda Chavez has been a shill for illegal immigration for many years. I am not surprised at all what she wrote.


3 posted on 07/10/2015 6:56:25 PM PDT by odawg
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

I’m not surprised; the Post like most other outlets are solidly on the side of La Raza and other racists who are demanding line cutters be given preference to all of those around the world who have followed the rules and awaiting coming here, who want to be Americans.


4 posted on 07/10/2015 6:57:04 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

She is a Hispanic hack who parades around as a conservative.
A long time amnesty pimp.


5 posted on 07/10/2015 6:57:15 PM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittance.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
This is just stupid. People who are here illegally are committing crimes. A girl is dead in San Francisco because our country chose not to enforce our immigration laws. They are all, by definition, lawbreakers. Only some are worse than others. Would Mexico allow wholesale immigration of Guatemalans under the rationale that they are less likely to be criminals than Mexicans? No way Jose.
6 posted on 07/10/2015 6:57:24 PM PDT by fhayek ((sarcasm))
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Comrade Linda has been a Amnesty Whore for decades.

The NY Post has been over taken by Lib Gop types years ago.


7 posted on 07/10/2015 6:57:41 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Ultima

The Color of Crime

http://www.amren.com/archives/reports/the-color-of-crime/


8 posted on 07/10/2015 6:57:51 PM PDT by Ultima
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Fox, NYP & Nat Rev are all for open borders among other non-conservative ideals.


9 posted on 07/10/2015 6:58:42 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

The fact that anyone committing murder/rape/robbery or any other violent crime could be released at all - no matter what their immigration status - should be outrageous enough.


10 posted on 07/10/2015 6:58:43 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

So far this is what I have found about their CV:

Walter A. Ewing, Ph.D. is the Senior Researcher at the Immigration Policy Center. He has authored or co-authored 20 reports and opinion pieces for the IPC and has published articles in the Georgetown Journal of Law and Public Policy, Stanford Law and Policy Review, and Immigration Law Today. Before joining the IPC, he was an Immigration Policy Analyst at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and Program Director of the National Citizenship Network at Immigration and Refugee Services of America. Mr. Ewing received his Ph.D. in Anthropology from the City University of New York (CUNY) Graduate School in 1997 and his B.A. in Sociology and Anthropology from the University of Maryland, College Park, in 1987.

Rubén G. Rumbaut, Ph.D. is Distinguished Professor of Sociology at the University of California, Irvine. Together with Alejandro Portes, he has directed the landmark Children of Immigrants Longitudinal Study and coauthored Immigrant America: A Portrait (4th ed., 2014) and Legacies: The Story of the Immigrant Second Generation (2001), which won the American Sociological Association’s top award for Distinguished Scholarship. He is the founding chair of the International Migration Section of the American Sociological Association, and an elected member of the National Academy of Education and the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. He received his Ph.D. in Sociology from Brandeis University.

Daniel E. Martínez, Ph.D.is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Sociology and inaugural director of the Cisneros Hispanic Leadership Institute at The George Washington University. He is a co-principal investigator of the Migrant Border Crossing Study, a Ford Foundation-funded research project that involves interviewing recently deported unauthorized migrants about their experiences crossing the U.S-Mexico border and residing in the United States. Martínez also does extensive research on undocumented border-crosser deaths along the U.S.-Mexico border. He received his Ph.D. from the School of Sociology at the University of Arizona.


11 posted on 07/10/2015 6:59:16 PM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: odawg

She has been an amnesty whore for a long time now. I think she was nominated for some post by W and had to withdraw because she had an illegal aline any or some such thing.


12 posted on 07/10/2015 6:59:48 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Obvious lies. And with an obvious political agenda.

I agree - how the NYPost could allow this means that something is rotten in Denmark over there at the Post.

It is beyond shameful how so many just do not care the havoc brought on by illegal invaders. Crime, disease, property damage, taking jobs, illegal voting, you name it.

Maybe they’ll see the error of their ways and print a correction tomorrow.


13 posted on 07/10/2015 7:00:21 PM PDT by Paulie (America without Christianity is like a Chemistry book without the periodic table.)
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To: Ultima

Just for laughs, look at how Texas racially classifies criminals.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/Texas10MostWanted/fugitives.aspx


My goodness. I did not realize that. That’s criminal. The only intent of these Pc clowns is to deceive.


14 posted on 07/10/2015 7:00:28 PM PDT by boycott
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
Chavez' work with La Raza and MECHA (the Mechistas)is to register voters, legal and illegal. She is a Democrat party tool. She does one thing: deliver votes by registering voters. She has no other purpose and succeeds at nothing else. It is true that special prisons must be built all over the United States only to house Latino "immigrant" ie. illegal convicts who are not lucky enough to be deported and return. For Ms. Chavez, this is evidence perhaps of racism - "unlawfully targeting illegals." No matter how you twist the logic, learn about MS-13 and the other gangs as a starting off point and take it from there, but don't for a moment see Linda Chavez as anything but a vote machine. It's what she does, it's what makes her a "hero."
15 posted on 07/10/2015 7:00:38 PM PDT by golux
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To: Ultima

Saw that earlier, but then how is she even making stats that classify people as Mexican and Salvadorian, etc.?


16 posted on 07/10/2015 7:01:20 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Do you even lift?!)
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To: jospehm20

“illegal aline any “

I meant to write illegal alien nanny.


17 posted on 07/10/2015 7:01:44 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

Illegal immigrants are 100% criminals. They broke the law and are evading justice. Lumping together legal with illegal immigrants is statistical BS.


18 posted on 07/10/2015 7:02:33 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: lulu16

That was helpful, thanks.

I’m not trying to be lazy though, I just don’t know enough about statistics, yet, to lay bare why her figures are bs.

I know some Freepers are really good at that.

I agree with everyone’s comments here, but I want to win some weekend conversations with other “right-leaning people” (Republicans, but not conservatives) and this will be a major topic. As the RINOs around here love to quote the NR, and Post.


19 posted on 07/10/2015 7:04:24 PM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (Do you even lift?!)
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I don’t really care what the rate of illegal alien crime is to the rate of anything. Nor the rate for recent legal immigrants.

The expectation is that it be ZERO. Otherwise, it is a problem that we shouldn’t have and don’t need to keep.

Illegal aliens and non-citizen legal immigrants: commit crime and you’re out of here.

What is hard to understand about that?


20 posted on 07/10/2015 7:04:46 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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