Posted on 07/09/2015 9:41:27 AM PDT by HomerBohn
famed Fort Knox is a facility managed by the U.S. Mint. Curiously, however, in a recent exchange of e-mails with a gold investment blog, the former director of that agency demonstrates a disturbing lack of knowledge about the precious metal supposedly stored there. And the Federal Reserve may be hiding the location and value of the allegedly missing bullion.
On July 1, Koos Jansen of goldseek.com published another in a series of posts exploring the fate of the gold allegedly kept in vaults at Fort Knox, Kentucky. In his latest article, Jansen makes some startling claims that if proven true, should instantly constrain Congress to investigate the situation with the gold inventory.
Jansen questions the accuracy and reliability of the recent audit of the reserves. In his own words, he is investigating “the audits performed on 95 % of US official gold reserves — the 7,628 tonnes stored by the US Mint — this is referred to as Deep Storage gold, 4,583 tonnes is at Fort Knox, 1,364 tonnes in Denver, 1,682 tonnes at West Point. In total US official gold reserves account for the 8,134 tonnes, owned by the US Treasury.”
Specifically, he is concerned with the biggest cache of bullion — that supposedly being held at Fort Knox.
Goldseek isn’t the first to question the federal government’s official position regarding the amount of gold held in reserve by the United Stores or the location of those bars. A quick Google search reveals that for at least the last five years, several mainstream news organizations have asked questions similar to those posed by Jansen.
For example, in 2010, CBS News published a story about the gold, questioning the veracity of the government’s claims:
Protected by a 109,000-acre U.S. Army post in Kentucky sits one of the Federal Reserve's most secure assets and its only gold depository: the 73-year-old Fort Knox vault. Its glittering gold bricks, totaling 147.3 million ounces (that's about $168 billion at current prices), are stacked inside massive granite walls topped with a bombproof roof. Or are they?
It’s hard to know for sure.
In 2011, CNN reported that Ron Paul (then serving as a congressman from Texas) wanted all the gold audited — the entire inventory.
“Treasury officials insist that the gold is audited annually and is all there,” the news channel reported. Paul was not willing to take the federal government at its word, however. CNN added:
During the hearing, Paul suggested that the Federal Reserve of New York, which has 5% of the U.S. gold reserves, has the ability to secretly sell or swap gold with other countries without anyone knowing.
"The Fed is pretty secret, you know," said Paul, who leans Libertarian. "Congress doesn't have much say on what's going on over there. They do a lot of hiding.”
That’s right: The Federal Reserve — the ultra-secretive central bank that controls the flow of money in the United States — apparently has monopoly control over the gold, too.
Then there is this point made by U.S. News:
A proper audit would verify both the quantity and purity of the U.S. gold hoard. Ideally, each gold ingot would be individually numbered and tested and at the end a reputable nongovernment auditor such as a major accounting firm would attest a complete inventory of separately numbered ingots. This should be a fairly straightforward task. The failure to conduct the audit is perennially advanced as evidence that the gold does not exist.
Knowing what should be done only leads to the question of what is done. That is to say, just how is the gold audited and who does the counting?
Although the vaults are under the management of the U.S. Mint, it is the Treasury Department and the Government Accounting Office that do the counting.
Well, some of it. You see, the gold at Fort Knox is not counted and hasn’t been since 1986, if it even was then. But, the feds don’t admit that openly.
"We know where it is. We know how much there is. We know it's there. None of it has been removed," insists Treasury Inspector General Eric Thorson, as quoted by CNN.
That’s the part where Jansen — and Ron Paul — think the story falls apart. Here’s why.
First, Jansen points out that since 1986, the vaults have literally been sealed shut. The seals were wax with a ribbon running through them connected to a document declaring the vaults sealed.
“The Treasury Office Inspector General (OIG), which is currently responsible for the Deep Storage gold audits, has told me it is absolutely not routine to break the seals. Neither for inspection by a US Mint Director nor for the President of the United States will the seals be broken,” Jansen writes.
In 2010, however, the seals were broken and new, more durable plastic seals replaced the old wax ones. Here’s the story from Jansen:
At the Gold Transparency Act in 2011 the OIG stated:
More recently the Mint decided to replace all of the previously placed Official Joint Seals with new seals. The new seals are more durable, having a double security barrier seal that can only be removed by two cuts with a strong cable cutter.
The Mint replaced all of the previously placed Official Joint Seals with new ones during fiscal year 2010. The seal replacement process consisted of two steps: (1) inspection of all previously placed Official Joint Seals on all the compartments containing deep storage gold to determine whether they had been altered or compromised in any way, and (2) placement of a new Official Joint Seal. The seal inspection and replacement process was carried out for all 42 deep storage gold compartments, in the presence of a Treasury OIG auditor, by a Mint headquarter staff person, representing the Mint Director, and a Mint storage facility staff person, representing the facility’s Plant Manager. For each Official Joint Seal removed, the Mint headquarters representative, the Mint storage facility representative, and the observing Treasury OIG auditor signed an inspection report; the same parties also signed the new Official Joint Seal that replaced the one removed.
So, it’s not likely that the former director of the U.S. Mint, Edmund Moy, saw the gold ingots stored at Fort Knox, as he claimed during a speech at a coin and collectible expo in Baltimore in 2013. The report cited above issued by the Office of the Inspector General states that a “mint headquarters representative” attended the seal swap, not the director himself. Moy’s presence at the event surely would have been noted in official reports.
The next aspect of Jansen’s research also involves statements made by Moy that don’t hold up to investigation.
At the convention in 2013, Moy told attendees the following story about how the gold got to Fort Knox to begin with:
And these bars up at Fort Knox … looked like dirty gold with some corrosion on them and they’re not as yellow.… And then you realize, Roosevelt had made it illegal for Americans to physically possess gold coins, and he melted all those gold coins and that’s what ended up being the initial stock at Fort Knox. A lot of those coins were 22 karat gold which then have impurities. You know and a lot of it wasn’t refined when it was made into these bars that ended up making it into Fort Knox. When you take a look at them, at each bar, you realize what history is behind it, how many coins must have been melted in order to make the bar, and what life stories must’ve been part of all that.
Not exactly true, Jansen claims. He reports:
In 1933 gold coins in the US accounted for 2,515 tonnes, of which 1,901 tonnes were already held at banks and the government. The difference, 614 tonnes, could not have made US gold reserves increase 13,041 tonnes (from 6,505 tonnes in 1933 to 19,546 tonnes in 1940). The dramatic rise in US gold reserves was caused by imports.
Finally, what about the annual audit that detractors of the missing gold theory — including Moy himself — insist proves the gold is in Fort Knox and that none of it is missing? Jansen blows the cover off that claim, too:
The official story from OIG is that 100% of the gold stored at Fort Knox was audited in between 1974 and 1986, although there is no US government department that has the audit reports…. After the gold was audited by the Continuing Audit committee all compartments were placed under Official Joint Seal. Currently, the OIG is said to inspect the seals every year, that’s all they do.
No gold is counted, no gold is even inspected. The seals are checked and the “audit” is complete.
In a message posted to Twitter in January, 2015, Moy himself called on Congress to “authorize a comprehensive audit” of the Deep Storage gold reserves.
There are many who claim that the Federal Reserve doesn’t want a proper audit because the gold is not there, at least not all of it. Some groups believe that as part of its effort to manipulate the economy, the Federal Reserve has sold the gold.
“The gold market is being manipulated by the Fed,” says Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee spokesman Chris Powell. “It’s involved in gold swap agreements with foreign banks. Gold is a major determinant of interest rates.”
An audit would answer this crucial question. Perhaps it’s time to force open the 22-ton door that stands between our alleged gold reserves and the eyes of our elected representatives.
Impossible. The Federal Reserve does not deal with private corporations like UTIMCO when it comes to bullion. All the gold held at the New York Fed is owned by foreign countries or foreign central banks and select international agencies. None of it is owned by the U.S. government or any state or local government. Or private individuals or corporations.
So far, this is just a name and a location to be named and built. But the real subtext here is that there is a definite healthy mistrust of Federal Government and those connected with it. Reports seen on the internet suggest that HSBC doesn’t even have on hand all the gold it is obligated to guarantee.
Well if it's on the internet then it's got to be true, right? I can't speak for HSBC or Texas, but their gold is not and has never been in the vaults of the New York Fed.
As for Germany, I question again. Have they drilled through sample bars to assure they are real?
They have taken upwards of 90 tons from New York back to Frankfurt. I assume it they had any suspicions then they could drill through any of the roughly 28,000 gold bars that they have retrieved so far.
How many years has it been gone from Fort Knox? Since you know it’s gone and all.
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People don't realize that apparently. We're not talking a few gold bars here. We're talking 1400 tons of gold. Tens of thousands of individual bars.
The gold is long gone. A single bar, smaller than a brick is 25 pounds. A solid gold bowling ball would weigh 224 pounds.
Say the vault actually gave public tours. Shooting or overpowering the guards and stealing it would be a near impossibility given the weight and the Ft. Knox army react force.
But lets just say they don’t do public tours for the standard bureaucracy reasons. Why then should the EVER deny a Senator or Congressman an inspection *at will*?
It’s gone, that is the obvious answer.
The Federal Reserve mistake was started by a press release from Texas Gov. Abbott. The release was in error but widely reported.
>>Somebody’s got access and has been in there in the last 50 or so years.
I was inside the Bullion Depository at Fort Knox in 1977 as a temporary laborer in support of a combined Treasury / GAO audit. We moved 47,000 bars in about 3 weeks. This was supposedly about 10% of the gold there.
The inside looks nothing like the movie Goldfinger, just for the record.
;-P
Agreed. Moving large amounts of gold is relatively labor and time intensive, and as noted above, I speak from experience.
Someone would talk.
My father was stationed at Fort Knox soon after WWII came to an end. There were no tours of the Depository then, just as there are none now. If you got too close to the perimeter someone on a loudspeaker would warn you off. There have never been public tours of the Depository.
Agreed, early reports mistakenly said the Fed but were corrected, but pray tell me what does HSBC stand for? And why are there reports that it cannot meet the physical presentations of the gold they are supposed to be holding?
As for Germany, if there aren’t conclusive reports of the results of drilling, if any, to be seen, there isn’t anything that can be drawn from it one way or the other.
The potential for findings of fake bars and a confidential promise of compensation could be just as realistic as they gave Germany real gold back. We won’t know. The fact remains the Fed has NEVER submitted to an outside audit by an impartial entity. We have only their word, and it isn’t worth spit, frankly.
Finally realized that...Thank you.
“Then that would be a matter between Texas and HSBC. “
HSBC, founded specifically as a dope bank for the opium trade. And they are still in it today laundering for the Mexican cartels. HSBC is a disgusting organization that should not even be allowed in the USA.
(In order to sell the gold they would have to open the seals, wouldn’t they?)
Having it there and owning it are two separate questions. They could have sold it but the other party is keeping there for safekeeping. Or, it could have been “leased” and we sent the gold out of the country (seals or no seals), and we still on paper own it, but we will never see it again.
I don't believe the gold is gone. It would be way too difficult to move (even small amounts) without involving many people. And could each person (guards, truck drivers, etc.) keep quiet forever? Impossible.
But you ask a GREAT question! Why can't a Congressman go inspect the site? There are no national secrets involved here. Just rooms filled with metal. Heck, I don't see any reason why there couldn't be public tours there, like with the White House.
So that's what I can't figure out. I can't see them moving the gold. Too tough a secret to keep. But yet they won't let anyone see it.
Ever wonder why they banned incandescent light bulbs?They need to tungsten to make fake gold bars.
I never thought of that. It really makes sense in a ‘conspiracy’ kind of way.
I like it.
However, that said, a great deal of information was offered under oath to Ron Paul's committee in the summer of 2011 by Counsel to the fed.
First place, in 1934, the Fed complied with FDR's order and returned its entire stock of Treasury owned Gold to the Treasury in exchange for "Gold Certificates" which represent a sufficient degree of compliance with the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 to permit the fed to manage the gold in accordance with its statutory directive.
Since 1934, the Treasury has acquired something like an additional 1400 Metric Tons +/- of gold which is not owned by the fed nor subject to Gold Certificates which are owned by the fed but which additional gold may be managed by the fed on behalf of the Treasury--total somewhere around 9200-9400 MT +/-.
Much of the Treasury gold is held in cages under the NY Federal Reserve Bank. The gold shown as owned by the Treasury at that location is in fact physically there.
However, general discussions and legal forms in circulation imply that the Treasury may have loaned some gold to bullion bank dealers which in fact may have sold some or all of what they borrowed in the market.
However the terms of the loan required that physical location of the loaned gold is in the possession of the NY Fed which holds possession as a pledge on behalf of the Treasury to secure the borrower's obligation to return the gold on termination of the lease.
Subsequent market transactions in connection with the gold have been executed subject to the terms of the lease agreement under which the seller owned the gold--i.e. the buyer bought the gold at market and paid for it even though it did not get delivery and did not have the right to get possession of the gold outside its cage in the basement of the NY Fed and was at risk that the Treasury would itself take possession of the gold back on a lease termination without even reimbursing the buyer for the price it paid.
One might speculate that the terms of sale further provided that the seller lessee of the gold had the right and obligation to obtain possession by paying the buyer some amount--probably trading market value on the day before the repossession.
I know there have never been public tours. But even a public tour would expose the gold to no realistic risk. None whatsoever.
As I said, just accepting that the “no tours” policy is just government dramatic license to show how safe it is,,,, why then should a Senator or Congressman or even the President not be able to see it all with a few days notice?
There is only one reason, and it’s obvious.
All of this is a red herring. The gold is there. The real question that should be asked, is who actually owns what is there?
The vast majority of the gold in our vaults is not owned by the Feral Government.
Originally? Hong Kong And Shanghai Banking Corporation. It's a British bank headquartered in London. The Texas gold is held at their New York City branch.
And why are there reports that it cannot meet the physical presentations of the gold they are supposed to be holding?
Because the world is filled with conspiracy theorists.
As for Germany, if there aren’t conclusive reports of the results of drilling, if any, to be seen, there isn’t anything that can be drawn from it one way or the other.
Except for the fact that Germany has repatriated thousands of bars of gold already. And if they had any suspicions then they could easily prove or disprove them.
The fact remains the Fed has NEVER submitted to an outside audit by an impartial entity. We have only their word, and it isn’t worth spit, frankly.
Audit what? The books? Every Fed branch is audited annually by an outside accounting company. Plus each Fed branch is reviewed by the GAO. Plus all of this is available online. What exactly do you mean when you say "audit them"?
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