Posted on 05/26/2015 11:16:29 PM PDT by Zakeet
Turns out George Stephanopoulos did more than just donate to the Clinton Foundation while working as an ‘impartial’ media person for ABC. He also joined Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein at Lolita Island in 2010. Lolita Island is also known as ‘Pedo Island’. This one documented trip by George Stephanopoulos and Bill Clinton was in December of 2010. George Stephanopoulos was at ABC at the time. This was just two years before that ridiculous GOP debate where George Stephanopoulos badgered Mitt Romney about banning contraception. Now I know why it was such an issue for George Stephanopoulos.
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I wonder where George told his devoted wife, Ali, he was going? (/snix)
Pedophilia has a specific meaning based on biology. It refers to attraction to children who have not yet entered puberty or reached sexual maturity.
Before/after puberty is a biological/medical concept. “Legal age” is entirely a cultural concept, subject to change as the culture changes. To my mind attraction to young but sexually mature people is a good deal less inherently disordered than to a true child. IOW, being attracted to a 13 year old girl is something very different from being attracted to a 5 year old girl. Both are wrong, in our society, but one is much worse.
To show how much attitudes and legalities on this issue can change in a historically brief period, here’s a table of age of consent laws over time.
https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/primary-sources/24
In 1880 the legal age of consent in all US states was either 10 or 12, except for DE, where it was 7!
I’m glad our attitudes have changed on this, and I fully support prosecution and punishment of those who break our present laws. But do you seriously contend that a sexual relationship with a sexually mature 13 year old is morally or medically equivalent to one with a 5 year old?
Whatever do you think these men did to pass the time on Pedo island? Catch up on reading perhaps?
Maybe in 12 years or so bubba can take his granddaughter along
The jury that convicted Epstein saw plenty of evidence
He was busted for paying a 13 year old schoolgirl to “touch” and “massage” him
Hit and run in Georgetown, George seems to like young underage girls like Bill.
Ping
I have no problems with Epstein going to jail for that. In fact, from what I’ve read of the case it looks like his prosecution and sentence were “influenced” to be lenient.
I just object to calling any sexual involvement with a sexually mature person pedophilia. Because then you don’t have anything to call the guy who’s into six year old or two year old little girls.
Per the law, in many states involvement with a girl who’s 17 years and 11 months is “sexual contact with a minor.” While it’s illegal and that’s fine with me, surely there’s a difference from engaging in similar activities with a toddler.
This is similar to the way calling everybody who says something you don’t like “racist” means you don’t have a word left to use for real racists.
A distinction without a difference. Both are morally the same and deserve the death penalty.
Medically, it depends on the specific act.
How can it be a sexual "relationship" with anyone of that age? It is youth rape with a different label.
It seems some people don’t understand the concept of Bad and Worse.
I respect your opinion. But I disagree.
If you classify every guy who has sex with a 17 year old girl as a pedophile, you weaken the horror appropriate for the actual act when properly defined.
George is huge at pedo island.
That’s a very funny bug in your head that compulsively defends adults having sex with adolescents.
Thread after thread.
This compulsive quirk s a “tell” to normal people, FWIW.
I’m not defending any such thing.
I’m defending proper use of a word. Which I believe is a conservative value.
Wiki: Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger. As a medical diagnosis, specific criteria for the disorder extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.
So... what is your point, other than a semantic one?
Yeah. Keep deluding yourself by pretending to be a definition hard-liner.
Words are important. If you use words that refer to more horrific crimes to refer to less-horrific crimes, you degrade our ability to talk about the worse crimes.
I find it difficult to comprehend that reasonable adults are incapable of seeing a moral difference between sex with a child who’s body is not physically ready for the act, and sex with an adolescent who is fully physically mature but which our society has decided to classify as legally under age.
Some things are Bad. Other things are Worse. Seems to me when we refuse to acknowledge this, we lose an important distinction.
I realize that in God’s eyes, all Sin is Sin. But for human purposes we have the death penalty for some crimes, life sentences for some, and varying prison terms for others. This lines up with appropriately distinguishing between Bad and Worse.
Any one citing wiki as a source for psychiatric diagnoses had better be aware that the current version of DSM(IV) is a corruption of earlier parameters mostly notably in the redefinition of sexual disorders brought about by selecting sexual deviants among the psyc community to edit the work. PC attitudes acquiesced in the removal of the abnormal and relocating them in the spectrum of normal behaviors.
Notice the age creep downward in the comments. As you stated, it’s a tell of at least of an amoral core.
And stay tuned for DSM-V which is the next step down, due to be published soon.
Obfuscating the real point.
I'm tempted to say more but I'm off to work and I really don't have a substantive, non-semantic point that hasn't already been made. Wouldn't want to gang up on you.
Good job connecting the dots.
If you classify every guy who has sex with a 17 year old girl as a pedophile, you weaken the horror appropriate for the actual act when properly defined.
You disagree so much that you changed your own parameters from 13 to 17 year old girl, next it will be a 21 year old.
Like many people that get caught in their own trap, they just change the initial set of facts to suit their new global warming, cooling, disruption whatever...
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