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Waco shooting: Purple Heart recipient among nine bikers killed
The Guardian ^ | Thursday 21 May 2015 17.24 EDT | Associated Press in Waco

Posted on 05/21/2015 4:16:12 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

One of nine bikers killed at a shootout outside a Texas restaurant was a Vietnam veteran and Purple Heart recipient whose family members dispute police claims he was in a criminal group.

An Associated Press review of Texas court records and a database maintained by the state department of public safety turned up no criminal history in Texas for Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, of New Braunfels. And his son Vincent Ramirez told the San Antonio Express-News that he was not violent.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biker; copcycle; killed; purpleheart; racism; racistbikerrepublic; racistbikers; racists; twinpeaks; waco; wacobikers
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To: Doomonyou
I'll bet all 9 dead were killed by Po-Po 5.56mm rounds

How much???

181 posted on 05/22/2015 7:46:30 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL)
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To: Texas Fossil

Oh, well...If it’s on the internet ...it must be true!


182 posted on 05/22/2015 8:00:23 PM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless America And Our Troops)
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To: wastoute
Helmet laws are really the perfect analogy of our times. No helmet has ever saved any one from a traumatic brain injury nor will one that can ever be invented.

Quickly re-read that asinine statement and then decide whether or not you want your name connected to it.....

the reason that football players wear helmets is to help them prevent injuries....100%, nope ...but basically very effective...If you get in your 6,000 pound tank called an SUV, take your kids along, it is the law that you have them strapped down and secured in safety seats....you must also be strapped in a shoulder harness in your seat as must all passengers in said vehicle....

However, if you get out of that vehicle and climb on a damned 2 wheel powered bicycle, you need no seat belt, no helmet, and you can legally sit your 6 year old daughter, with no protective gear, behind you and drive 75 miles per hour on the expressway....BRILLIANT!!!

183 posted on 05/22/2015 8:00:57 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL)
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To: MEG33

snicker.


184 posted on 05/22/2015 8:15:19 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: terycarl
Leathers are protective gear. They withstand abrasion better than anything else, with the exception of some Kevlar fabrics, and tend to be cooler.

Would you want to be strapped to the outside of your SUV in a rollover? For the same reason, motorcyclists don't want to be strapped to a motorcycle. Kids have to wear helmets in most states, until they are 18. I won't waste time debating the benefit vs. detriment aspects of helmets, except to say the only time they are really needed is if you are in an accident, and sometimes, they can kill you then. If not wearing one helps avoid an accident, the helmet is moot.

While bicycles and motorcycles each have two wheels, a larger road motorcycle can weigh upward of 650 lbs.

The dynamics found riding motorcycles are different from bicycles unless you are riding the bicycle over 15-20 mph, and those low speeds generally are the ones where protective equipment is more likely to actually prevent injury.

Pull your SUV out in front of someone riding down the highway at 65, and the helmet will not prevent the sort of massive trauma, including head trauma that occurs when the brain sloshes back and forth inside the skull. (Think subdural hematoma).

Those forces are why helmets can't protect the body from stresses it was not designed to absorb.

In a vehicle where an airbag actually absorbs the energy, it is a completely different situation.

Add another two to five pounds to your head and drive a vehicle that requires that you be able to look all over to keep from being hit by people who will claim they "didn't see you" and the fatigue level goes way up. Some like helmets, some don't, and the only reason I'd consider one around here now (as opposed to the past) is the serious increase in heavy truck traffic coming off lease roads slinging rocks and mud. It is a pain to try and keep windshields in my vehicles, I don't need a rock in the face.

One more tidbit of data: the most often broken bones in motorcycle/car accidents? Tibia and fibula, followed by the femur, radius and ulna. The skull actually comes in way down the list, below pelvis, humerus, and ribs...collarbones are popular fractures, too, along with carpals, metacarpals, tarsals, and metatarsals.

185 posted on 05/22/2015 8:47:35 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: onyx

Did the guy in the sheriff’s shirt sit in something?


186 posted on 05/22/2015 8:51:05 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: terycarl
How much???

$500.00

Please send the cash to a Nigerian Bank account that I will Freepmail to you. In the event that I am proved wrong, you will receive a cashiers check in the amount of $1,000.00 when all the PO-PO have been exonerated of firing a shot.

:)

187 posted on 05/22/2015 8:54:05 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Did the guy in the sheriff’s shirt sit in something?

ROTFLOLOL.

It's either sit case or a sh!t case.

188 posted on 05/22/2015 8:57:39 PM PDT by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FR. Donate Monthly or Join Club 300! God bless you all.)
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To: onyx

Did the guy in the sheriff’s shirt sit in something?


189 posted on 05/22/2015 9:03:00 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Leathers are protective gear. They withstand abrasion better than anything else, with the exception of some Kevlar fabrics, and tend to be cooler.

Whatever...I drove race cars (SCCA) for years and no-one would have considered being in one without belts and helmets.Are they always effective, of course not, but don't try to convince me that helmets on a cyclist are a bad idea.....of course leathers are some protection for abrasions on the body, but your head banging against a curb is well protected by a helmet.

190 posted on 05/22/2015 9:05:15 PM PDT by terycarl (COMMON SENSE PREVAILS OVERALL)
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To: terycarl
You wouldn't have wanted to be strapped to the outside of that car, though. Inside, it keeps you inside, from bouncing around and actually makes it easier to drive because you aren't expending energy staying behind the wheel.

If your head hits the curb at 65, the helmet will likely split--if your cervical vertebrae don't. The body is not designed to withstand that sort of impact.

Like I said, some like 'em, some don't. But for adults, I think it should be their choice.

191 posted on 05/22/2015 9:14:07 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: terycarl
If you do all that, you don't have time to hang with jackass gangs....we have many cyclists in this area who are veterans of various military organizations who show up for veteran's funerals, national holiday celebrations, fund raisers, etc....responsible American citizens who support law and order....not drug addicted buffoons who get involved in gang fights and subject themselves to death to prove to nobody that they are tough guys.....they aren't....they are useless....

This is interesting...

Waco Shootout, Wikipedia

Police said a turf war between the rival clubs may have been a factor in the deadly encounter.[7] They said it was rooted in Bandidos beating a Cossack at a Toys for Tots event in Decatur, Texas on December 6, 2014, and killing another the next week in Fort Worth.[8]


192 posted on 05/23/2015 2:40:35 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Evolution!)
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To: terycarl

I spent years of my life in Neurosurgery. I have seen more traumatic brain injuries than I can remember. The textbook of neurosurgery has excellent chapters in the mechanism of TBI. Done at a research center that was the first target of the animal rights folks. Once one understands the mechanism you will understand why no helmet protects nor will one ever be invented. Helmets are just another of the long list of things “everyone knows” but just ain’t so. Sorry to disappoint but to mitigate risk one must use what you would put into a helmet not vice versa.


193 posted on 05/23/2015 2:53:29 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: treetopsandroofs; DesertRhino; All
Late to this thread I know, but ...

[Desert Rhino has] more than enough of the characteristics that leftist freaks love to ascribe to conservatives.

BINGO. And it is true of a handful -- I'd say at most two dozen total -- of the most ardent of "biker scum deserved it" posters on this forum who claim to be "conservatives" and/or "Republicans." They aren't, but they think they know what real Republicans/conservatives are like because of the template so many ardent liberals buy into. It's EXACTLY as you say -- if they exhibit one or two, then I personally give them the benefit of the doubt and figure they're genuine conservatives/Republicans, just confused, ignorant, or stubborn.

But when you see them exhibiting so many stereotype qualities that the left attributes to the right, it is sure a red flag that somebody is fakin' somethin'. Like a caricature trying to pass itself off as a portrait.

And by the way, it goes exactly the other way as well, we conservatives/Republicans make the same mistake; many liberals (I maintain that about 75 percent of liberals are future conservatives, yet to be mugged by reality) look, think, and even act very much like conservatives. I know enough gun rights advocates, die-hard meat eaters, anti-drug zealots, and righteous Christians who are die-hard liberals, to accept it.

194 posted on 06/07/2015 5:35:12 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: terycarl; Smokin' Joe
I know ... late to the thread and all that, but ...

Whatever...I drove race cars (SCCA) for years and no-one would have considered being in one without belts and helmets.Are they always effective, of course not, but don't try to convince me that helmets on a cyclist are a bad idea.....of course leathers are some protection for abrasions on the body, but your head banging against a curb is well protected by a helmet.

Terycarl, you sound just like the old ladies in tennis shoes who tried to convince the city council in the surf town where I grew up, to pass an ordinance that surfers should be made to wear life jackets. They sounded just about exactly like you: "Don't try to convince me, young man, that wearing a life jacket when you're on a surfboard isn't a good idea!"

Fortunately, saner heads -- akin to Smokin' Joe's -- prevailed, and the surfers in town were protected from know-it-all old ladies who refused to acknowledge the flotation properties of those old farmer-john wetsuits most surfers wore back then in because the water was so damned cold.

195 posted on 06/07/2015 6:02:09 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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