Posted on 05/19/2015 11:59:21 AM PDT by onyx
A website widely read by bikers called “The Aging Rebel” has published an alternative account of what happened during Sunday’s bloody shootout in Waco, Texas. The article titled The Waco Police Massacre brings out a number of details not previously published and also presents the controversial theory that event was essentially a police ambush.
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They were in a very public place....not just a Restaurant...but at a Mall site...."other" peoples lives were well within danger as these gangs came together.
I worked at a pizza joint when I was 21. One of the jobs was making sure that the under-21s weren’t helping themselves to the pitchers of beer. This wasn’t my favorite job because you could run into clowns who’d argue about it. Softball teams seemed to attract a few of these.
So one Sunday a couple of bikers came in with their girlfriends. Young girlfriends. They ordered a pitcher and two glasses, and cokes for the girls. They had been sitting in the parlor for awhile when I saw the girls with beer in their glasses. Being a fool I went over and said that if the girls were going to drink beer I’d need to see some IDs. The bikers said “no problem” and took the beer away and that was that. Of all the people I dealt with in this situation they were the most polite.
You are creating those details in your head, out of nothing.
When I was in high school, and having some association with the Bandidos, they would come back (to Houston) from San Antonio, and Austin almost every week, with trailer loads of stolen motorcycles.
You’re full of it. You just repeated the media narrative, embellished by your own speculations.
Amazing how much caww knows about all this, two days later, when I still can’t see anything for all the smoke and fog of media war...
Fascinating. Wonder if they’re still able to do that in this day and age of tracking, and high-dollar machines?
By the way, along with bringing back those trailers of stolen motorcycles, they would also have fistfuls of stolen credit cards.
Perahps the authorities learned a thing or two from those old Bandidos - but the authorities prefer to steal cash, if at all possible...
Do some investigative work on the history of these two gangs yourself....what their oaths are...and mean. Listen to some of them speak about the gangs and what they adhere to... This played out just exactly as their past encounters...violence and death.
I did my homework on this event...which is more than reading the headlines. In fact if you go back thread i even posted some of those sources early on.
So take your tongue elsewhere until you know what you’re talking about.
...”I still can’t see anything for all the smoke and fog of media”...
Look beyond the media...and you might clear the fog.
Anyway my impression is that ‘civilians’ aren’t likely to have much trouble from bikers. If you’re a rival gang, if you’re a competitor in crime, if you treat them with disrespect, then you’re going to have a lot of trouble. But these aren’t like street gangs that intimidate local neighborhoods.
If you read the thread, you would know that I had a Bandido living with me at one time and used to hang with them a little, and at their main house.
In California I know Mongols, and Vacos, and other club members since some of them left my club to go outlaw, and those clubs usually visit my clubs overnighters, and I have spent a fair amount of time, including at my club’s meetings, at our local Hell’s angels bar.
You are making up details of this event, just spewing stuff out of your own imagination.
I am around them at events all summer.
Never had a second’s issue with any of them.
In fact, one particular group tends to hover me, protectively, because of a kindness I showed a member, nearly 20 years ago, even thought that guy is long dead.
They are always better behaved than the 99%.
I remember a group that I was having trouble remembering, the Boozefighters, I actually like some of them, having had those long talks late into the night, at overnighters.
They sure have an interesting history and are older than the Angels, and they sure seem a lot calmer and more thoughtful.
Well that explains much. So you’re biased then. Might also explain the rough exterior we so often see on display.
But no I’m not making up stuff...but then you would certainly see it that way perhaps...with all considered.
Biased about what, since I haven’t even gotten into any of the arguments about the event or offered any opinions on it?
I only pointed out that you are making up details, making up stuff that you don’t and can’t know, because it hasn’t been reported.
Your rough exterior makes you want to just create a imaginative scenario and impose it on reality, and badger everyone to believe that you have some secret details that are not in the news.
You are making up stuff.
I reach too and put you in the camp with the others here that think shooting folks down cause they may or not be criminals is ok cause were doing society a favor
I did not elucidate my entire view on biker gangs nor on the police
I gave personal experience without much reference beyond that and I gave some of my questions about this particular shooting
I don't think a one size fits all with criminals period...and you can hold me to that
Lets play reference game about cops so you have actual words to work with.
Me: mixed results with cops
harassed as a long haired kid in early 70s
beaten by black jailers in Dade county in 80s in a racial fight which I won till handcuffed and beaten by black jailers
fast forward
currently i have working relationships with a metro police dept and county sherrif office and local THP etc
I give 50% discounts to all cops in personal cars and vets too
purple hearts and WWII vets wash free....(I own a chain of car washes)
but i do know of local cop malfeasance and think the feds and militarization of cops is bad and needs to be stopped
Weaver and Waco were bad cop days to me
Modern cop crap:
Ferguson...cop innocent
New York...not sure lean to they coulda done a better job
South Carolina....cop murdered that man...plain and simple..thank God for smart phones
Baltimore...cops likel;y innocent other than they shoulda given him med attention quicker and the prosecutor is grandstanding
Ok...if all that makes me a cop hater then so be it
btw...my aggregate cop discounts per year total around 40,000 bucks
do you give cops 40,000 a year from your pockets..just curious
now on this incident
at first as i said i it was just white boys playing rough and someone bit off some Bandidos whoopass they shouldn't have
but as its unfolded I'm not sure
1) cops were there from before event started...they could have stopped it...they don't need anyones permission
2) all the dead i saw were outside dropped where shot...which looks more like sniper shot placement...and no I do not think if bikers are shooting one another...that cops can just guess who started it and shoot to kill unless fired upon themselves...of course trigger happy swat will always say they were fired upon...
3) which brings up where are the shot up cops and cop cars
4) all the photos of bikers after the shootout shows bikers first standing talking to cops including some bikers still heeled...cops don't look too terrified of them and later they have them segregated into two groups on the grass unhandcuffed...now if cops were scared enough to shoot them cause they were fired upon first then why aren't they all face down tie bound? instead of milling around
Why was all this heavy police presence there and they claim they knew this beef was happening yet their response is to sit point and watch and play SEALs and ask the restaurant to stop the event instead of them with all that state local and federal firepower close down the event themselves?
they sure as hell have that authority
something just doesn't pass the smell test so far...but given the casualty list is mostly Cossacks as i figured as first it would be...Bandidos are as you say known for ferocity and Ive known several in the late 70s in Mississippi and the first club I ever saw was at Hermann park amphitheater...so maybe the cops shot no one and it played out like i first figured..i would like that...id prefer not to think ill of Texas cops but feeling like i do...if they sniped guys not a threat to them then i want that exposed and let someone figure it out ...but who will...DOJ?...FBI?....Civil Rights?>
it's dead white guys with Confederate flags....I mean really..lol
Texas and Greg Abbott sure aint gonna investigate themselves so this will play out in the overcharged trials and civil court and papers...don't doubt me...unless they find out cops killed no one which again Id prefer
I'm ambivalent about one percenters...some are very dangerous and some not so much...it is intersting to white guys who will fight...today its just pathetic...most crackers under 40 unless at war are such pussies and soft looking and emasculated....who is gonna fight our culture war if it goes hot..I'm not really joking>
I don't live in fear of them but I don't go hang out with them either in their clubs ..I do understand their loyalty to one another trumps all
I've associated with Bandidos ..one I grew up with..he dropped out
Fates Assembly..patched over by 81
Central Florida Warlocks...some scary guys...but more with Outlaws than civilians
and my Outlaw employee who's too old now like me to be much threat to anyone
would I want my daughter to marry one...resounding no
would I want one with me in a war...likely yes
Ive never been victimized by them ..but there's still time
but I have been victimized by the police and black thugs in my life
I am more likely to be wary of young black males in general than outlaw bikers
that should give you plenty to chew on
oh yes...restated..I do not trust the ATF nor do I agree with cops shooting armed outlaw bikers just cause they have a bead on them to clean the gene pool
I would trust Texas Highway Patrol ...
Don’t you know ma’am we got posters here saying line them all up in a ditch or they had it coming or I don’t care if they were ambushed?
You see tall talk here a lot...you have to wonder how these keyboard folks are in real time..how hard in reality
I’ll confess at 57 I’m not what I was but I always had stones
still do...i scare myself..lol
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