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To: truth_seeker

“beginning, the Nazi movement was opposed to communism.”

So the Nazis always say. The main difference I see between Nazis and Bolsheviks is whether or not the factories must be state owned. Other than that, they are both hard core socialists.
Its like Baskin Robbins being bitterly opposed to Ben and Jerrys.
But they pretended it was real.


33 posted on 05/10/2015 2:27:36 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino

“So the Nazis always say. The main difference I see between Nazis and Bolsheviks is whether or not the factories must be state owned. Other than that, they are both hard core socialists.
Its like Baskin Robbins being bitterly opposed to Ben and Jerrys.
But they pretended it was real.”

Then by your reasoning, there is no purpose in classifying political/economic systems.

The fascist movements in Europe were nationalist, private ownership of factors of production, with heavy state direction, etc.

Now if you are satisfied to lump fascism together with communism, because you dislike both, go ahead. To call them the same is not supported by history.

Who owns the factories, and farms, and houses, and equipment, and virtually everything is the whole point of communism, along with the religion-like belief the state knows best how to arrange “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.”

Fascism makes no pretense to do that.

Capitalism continues under fascism, but not under communism.


35 posted on 05/10/2015 2:37:40 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: DesertRhino

Well, that and the Bolsheviks claimed they wanted toliberate the proletariat to rule themselves all over the globe and the Nazis wanted Aryans to rule the world. In truth, it comes down to Russians and Germans squabling about how the pie would be divided and who would eat it.


67 posted on 05/10/2015 4:49:39 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: DesertRhino

I think the only reason that Hitler didn’t completely nationalize the factories was that he realized he needed his war machine to be built quickly, and having the replace the current people running the factories would only slow down the timeframe of getting Germany ready for war.


68 posted on 05/10/2015 4:53:08 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DesertRhino

A factor you don’t mention is how the two ideologies were viewed by their contemporaries outside Germany and Russia. In every case that I know the Nazi imitators, sympathizers and hangers-on came from the political right, while Communist sympathizers and Nazi-haters came from the left. True in Spain, France, Britain, Eastern Europe and Scandinavia.


82 posted on 05/11/2015 4:15:52 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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