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To: DesertRhino

“So the Nazis always say. The main difference I see between Nazis and Bolsheviks is whether or not the factories must be state owned. Other than that, they are both hard core socialists.
Its like Baskin Robbins being bitterly opposed to Ben and Jerrys.
But they pretended it was real.”

Then by your reasoning, there is no purpose in classifying political/economic systems.

The fascist movements in Europe were nationalist, private ownership of factors of production, with heavy state direction, etc.

Now if you are satisfied to lump fascism together with communism, because you dislike both, go ahead. To call them the same is not supported by history.

Who owns the factories, and farms, and houses, and equipment, and virtually everything is the whole point of communism, along with the religion-like belief the state knows best how to arrange “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.”

Fascism makes no pretense to do that.

Capitalism continues under fascism, but not under communism.


35 posted on 05/10/2015 2:37:40 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker

“Capitalism continues under fascism, but not under communism.”

You may not have heard of this one communist nation called “the Peoples Republic of China”. It’s kind of small, you may not have heard of it.
And there’s another single party Communist country called Vietnam.
Both are rather famous for their capitalism and have many
privately owned businesses.

Your example falls apart. There is always this destructive desire to pretend that Nazis are some sort of an anti communist. Its a relic of cold war thinking, but nothing could be further from the truth. It’s destructive because it leads people to mistakenly see Nazis as facing a common enemy in communism.


40 posted on 05/10/2015 3:11:25 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: truth_seeker

“Then by your reasoning, there is no purpose in classifying political/economic systems.”

Or more succinctly, explain how you believe Nazi Germany differs from Red China? Both are socialist, one party, highly nationalistic, aggressive and expansionist, states, that have widespread capitalism as their operating system. Of course, it must serve the state.

How are they different really? Not oompah bands and rice,, I mean in ownership of means of production?


44 posted on 05/10/2015 3:18:35 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: truth_seeker; DesertRhino
The fascist movements in Europe were nationalist, private ownership of factors of production, with heavy state direction, etc.

Can you show an instance of Hitler declaring himself to be a Fascist?

55 posted on 05/10/2015 3:51:46 PM PDT by fso301
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To: truth_seeker

You are quite right. The whole point of Communism was for all the workers of the world to unite and eventually create a classless system to run the world.

The goal of fascism and nazism was to unite all Germans of various classes and domineer over the rest of the world. They wanted to

That they used similar methods in many ways does not change the fact that their goals were utterly incompatible.


64 posted on 05/10/2015 4:44:33 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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