Posted on 05/05/2015 8:50:33 PM PDT by servo1969
More details are beginning to emerge about the incompetent Islamic terrorist attack on a free speech event held by the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI) in Garland, Texas Sunday. Bearing Arms readers have asked for more details about how the actual shooting went down, and about the Garland police officer who used his duty sidearm to defeat two attackers armed with rifles within 15 seconds.
Please keep in mind that we don’t have all the details about the attack, the individual officer’s response, or the exact steps law enforcement took once the attack began, and that even if we had that information, we would withhold such details which may be useful for any other would-be terrorists attempting future attacks.
That said, we will provide analysis of some key pieces of publicly available information.
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At the point of the attack, the two suspects apparently drove up and opened fire upon an unarmed security guard who was accompanied by a 60-year-old Garland police officer. The unarmed guard was struck the volley of gunfire. The veteran Garland officer then drew his duty-issue Glock pistol and opened fire on the suspects.
The officer killed one terrorist and wounded the other in his initial volley of return fire. Witnesses claim there was a brief pause, and then the officer fire two more shots to kill the still-moving terrorist as he appears to be reaching for a backpack. The entire event lasted 15 seconds, with heavily-armed Garland SWAT converging on the scene immediately afterward.
We’re not going to mention any more about the officer who took out these terrorists, only that to give an idea of his approximate position in relation to the terrorists as he engaged them.
The evidence markers at the bottom of the photo above show us a remarkable story, as they denote the final locations of the shell casings ejected from the officer’s Glock duty pistol. While every pistol is different from another in its ejection pattern, and the movement of the officer and the cant of his gun precludes us from knowing exactly where he was, there, is a distinct trial of shells showing that the officer was moving forward from the bottom left of the photo above towards the terrorists at the rear of the vehicle. He appears to have opened fire from 20 yards away, and fired at least a dozen shots by the time he reached an area near the traffic cones, roughly 7-10 yards from where the terrorists died.
Second photo taken from the opposite angle (below) seems to confirm this determined officer’s advance on the terrorists while firing.
Note: the damage to the vehicle driven by the terrorists was from controlled demolitions from EOD units ensuring that the car was not a VBIED (vehicle-borne improvised explosive device).
There seems to be a great deal of skepticism regarding whether or not the suspects were wearing body armor and whether they were armed with “automatic weapons” or “assault rifles” or something else entirely. Other photos from the crime scene suggest answers to those questions as well.
In the image above, we have drawn an orange rectangle around what appears to be blood-drenched halves of a soft body armor carrier worn by one of the terrorists. Most people don’t seem to grasp that there are multiple grades of soft body armor, that these materials degrade over time, and that the armor panels themselves do not often cover the entire torso, leaving gaps under the arms, below the ribs, and at the neck.
We simply don’t know if the officer’s bullets compromised the armor or went around the armor panels, but it is quite clear that there was soft body armor worn by at least one of the terrorists, and that it did not prevent him from being quickly taken out of of the fight.
Did the terrorists have “automatic weapons” as some mainstream media outlets initially claimed?
The media claim of “automatic weapons” or “machine guns” is always to be discounted until positively affirmed beyond the shadow of a doubt by firearms experts (not law enforcement public information officers), simply based on how difficult it is to obtain automatic weapons in the United States.
What we do have is two separate images that appear to show long guns recovered at the scene. We’ve taken part of the image above and flipped it vertically below in an effort to better determine what we’re looking at.
It isn’t anything we immediately recognize, though we can say for certain that it doesn’t appear to be any centerfire variant or an AR-15 or AKM. While the photo we have to work with is frankly horrible, our best guess is that The firearm we’re looking at is a most likely Kel-Tec SUB-2000, a popular and inexpensive pistol caliber carbine shown below.
Partially obscured behind evidence marker 34 is what appears to be a firearm with an AR-15-type front sight post, but the quality of the image and amount of the gun covered by the evidence marker make it impossible to tell what we’re really looking at.
Is this a legitimate centerfire AR-15? Is this a rimfire copy? Is this an airgun, designed to look enough like an AR-15 to win a jihadi his martyrdom?
Frankly, I’m tempted to think that we’re looking at a “faux-15″ martyrdom special or a .22 clone, considering we’ve not be able to track down credible reports of the distinctively different reports of a centerfire rifle fire, and the confirmed Glock pistol-fire from the Garland officer.
We’re not ruling out the possibility that this was a centerfire AR-15 recovered at the scene, we’re simply noting that there wasn’t much evidence suggesting it was able to be brought into play by the terrorists.
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No matter how you break down the details, this was an incredible display of bravery and marksmanship by this 30+ year veteran of the Garland Police Department, who not only resisted the natural urge to create distance between yourself and rifle-armed assailants, but who appears to have done precisely the opposite, and who advanced while firing accurately, bringing the attack to a swift conclusion without a single additional casualty once he brought his weapon to bear.
Determined people with good training and a decent handgun can indeed defeat the most zealous fanatic.
Get out there and train folks. Maybe one day it will be your turn to be the one standing on the line defending liberty from savagery.
Update: We’d like to thank Kaitian for finding a higher resolution image of the SUB-2000 used in the attack, which we’ve swapped out in the story above.
@bob_owens Don’t know if you know but there’s a higher resolution picture of the gun used. https://t.co/39OmgBAclL
— Kaitian (@Kaitian1) May 5, 2015
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You are a democrat
Without freedom of speech you can’t have a free society.
This is why Obama is getting his FCC gestapo to control the Internet with Soros’ socialist regulations. Bet you agree with that too.
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“You are a democrat
Without freedom of speech you can’t have a free society.
This is why Obama is getting his FCC gestapo to control the Internet with Soros’ socialist regulations. Bet you agree with that too.”
you can believe this or not. first of all, I never, ever, ever said I didn’t believe in freedom of speech. I only said, I wouldn’t exercise it when it comes to someone else’s religion.
second, I couldn’t care less what you call me personally, seeing this cyber talk is nameless, faceless, practically anonymous. what I care about is do we have enough people who believe in conservative values to prevent a Marxist takeover by Obama, or whoever. when you call me a democrat, I question your ability to tell the difference between who is on your side and who’s not.
I might just do that, but i’ll leave you with this question. is it really going to convince me that you can brainwash a billion and a half people to believe in evil deeds?
That you did!
But seriously, how much of a study of islam have you made? It is unfortunate that nearly all the organs for disseminating information in this country are driven by a profit motive, therefore they are loath to alienate any lucrative sector of their market, particularly when normalcy bias is so easy to engage.
Many of us have been studying islam since September 11th and have reached similar conclusions. They should not be lightly dismissed.
Ping for future use or reference.....
“But seriously, how much of a study of islam have you made?”
zero, zilch, nada. but what I do know, is that if the human spirit is inherently good, how in the heck are a billion and a half muslims evil.
Islam, like Christianity and Judaism, has various levels of participation. The problem is the core doctrines of the faith are independent of any particular adherent's belief or participation. So while there are plenty of good people who are muslim, there are NOT ANY good people who are "devout" Muslims. The two concepts are simply mutually exclusive.
Here is a tribute to Van Gogh, coward. Do you have the guts to watch it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu7bl6rpCIE
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Just because some dirt bags work for some government agency that doesn't give them the right to decide what every individual can write or say or not say. You understand that? you don't have the right to tell me what I can put on my own website ok ? If I want to put a Muhamad cartoon on it I will . GOt it you democrat? so because some Muslim says that offends him then the FCC will take it down (that's what Obama is doing with the “net neutrality” bs that is just government control).
Just what doesn't offend someone? You challenge our intellect? laughable.
what gives some turd at the FCC the right to determine what I can post on my blog or what I can say or what any individual can say?
One of the core doctrines of Biblical Christianity is that the human spirit is NOT inherently good.
Please note that "good" is not the same as "nice," "sociable," or "loving." "Good" hates "evil," even when evil is mild, and to ones own benefit.
I heard the FBI and a SWAT team were there and were not guarding the outside entrance to the building... By luck this brave Garland police officer (traffic officer) was there and a darn good shot.
Just because some dirt bags work for some government agency that doesn't give them the right to decide what every individual can write or say or not say. You understand that? you don't have the right to tell me what I can put on my own website ok ? If I want to put a Muhamad cartoon on it I will . GOt it you democrat? so because some Muslim says that offends him then the FCC will take it down (that's what Obama is doing with the “net neutrality” bs that is just government control).
Just what doesn't offend someone? You challenge our intellect? laughable.
what gives some turd at the FCC the right to determine what I can post on my blog or what I can say or what any individual can say? Here's my opinion of Islam. actually its the truth if you look at it logically. Islam is a bunch of lies that a power hungry evil creep named Muhammad invented to gain power. Also proving Islam is lies is the fact that Muhammad at the age of 53 married a 6 year old Girl named Aisha . so you think that the government or FCC has the right to Ban that free speech that exposes the truth . The FCC probably will now that Obama is taking over the Internet with the FCC
Indeed, many are not even aware they should! I don't think railing denunciations are going to spur him on to his own investigation, but rather convince him of malice on your part.
You make it sound like your surrender to Islam is somehow interesting.
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And THAT is the very essence of Trolls. That is the goal of narcissistic trolls. I would not be proud of putting myself amongst those poor souls with their personality defects and need to disrupt.
that was a joke, I couldn’t care less who responds. I’m about to give this up and go back to porn.
Good post. You see it.
Good grief, you are a full-blown apologist for jihadist murderers. How does it feel?
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