Posted on 04/19/2015 5:23:00 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
What would happen is that some dynasty (most likely the Jordanian Hashemites, as descendents of Muhammad) would control the Hijaz (Mecca and Medina), while various Saudi princelings would control the central area and there would be a Shia Imam in charge of the oil fields and an Ismaili state in the south.
Yes, that’s what I hear. Happy king I a guess... = :^)
Thank you Cronos.
Didn’t mean to short change you with that reply. I did appreciate your thoughts.
you haven't seen this guy?
Saudi grand mufti calls for demolition of churches
Saudi Arabia’s top Muslim cleric called on Tuesday for the destruction of all churches in the Arabian Peninsula after legislators in the Gulf state of Kuwait moved to pass laws banning the construction of religious sites associated with Christianity.
Speaking to a delegation in Kuwait, Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah, who serves as the grand mufti of Saudi Arabia, said the destruction of churches was absolutely necessary and is required by Islamic law, Arabic media reported.
Saudi religious leader OKs rape of children
Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti, Sheikh Abdulaziz Al al-Sheikh, the kingdom’s top religious authority in the ultra-conservative Wahhabi school of Sunni Islam, has ruled it’s acceptable for men to marry girls so young the West would deem it nothing short of pedophilia and rape.
“The ulema have agreed that it is permissible for fathers to marry off their small daughters, even if they are in the cradle,” the edict declared. “But it is not permissible for their husbands to have sex with them unless they are capable of being placed beneath and bearing the weight of the men. And their capability in this regard varies based on their nature and capacity. Aisha was six when she married the prophet, but he had sex with her when she was nine, that is, when she was deemed capable.”
Fawzan said there is nothing in Islamic, or Shariah law, that sets a minimum age limit on marrying girls, citing Quran 65:4.
“It behooves those who call for setting a minimum age for marriage to fear Allah and not contradict his Shariah, or try to legislate things Allah did not permit,” Fawzan said. “For laws are Allah’s province, and legislation is his exclusive right, to be shared by none other. And among these are the rules governing marriage.”
Saudis Can Eat Wife if Very Hungry
Saudi grand mufti 'issues fatwa permitting man to chop up and eat wife in event of extreme hunger' A leading Saudi Arabian cleric has reportedly issued a controversial fatwa allowing a husband to chop up his wife and eat her body in the event of extreme hunger,
The grand mufti, who is the highest religious figure in Saudi Arabia, allegedly went on to substantiate the fatwa by saying this will allow the couple to "become one as their bodies will fuse together after the husband eats his wife".
He and the Saud family are tight
I don’t have regular TV cable service any longer, and haven’t for several years. I don’t see these folks like I might if I did watch cable news.
I have heard of these acts, but didn’t consider this guy to be a government official.
I also did not consider this to be a government type announcement. It seems to be a church type issue.
Those who support Saudi Arabia often argue it isn’t the Saudi ‘commdar-in-chief’ (king) who supports terrorism, islamism or islam; it’s some other saudi or ‘one of the princes’.. alternatively they suggest ‘well what should or could the [innocent] king do if he wants to save his own butt?’.
These types of arguments are old & essentially pointless excuses. Not only these arguments do not exonerate ‘the saudi king’ of his culpability in terrorism, but also suggest massive corruption & hypocrisy.
Of course most know about saudi sharia law, chop-chop square, etc.. if the saudi king, himself, had any secular inclinations (since what? early 1900s) he’d be moving to Britain or Denmark.
Same here -- and, since most of the TV news here is in Polish -- at the beginning 5 years ago I didn't understand and now I don't care :-P
I get my news from internet and the economist
the Grand Mufti is a government official -- he gets his salary from the Saudi government.
SHANKSVILLE PENSYLVANIA 911 MYSTERIOUS PLANE CRASH WITHOUT A PLANE
EXCERPT:
SCENE WAS UNLIKE A CRASH SITE A number of witnesses stated specifically that they thought the scene appeared unlike the site of a plane crash. Lyle Szupinka, an area commander of the Pennsylvania State Police, said that when he arrived, "There was pieces of debris, small pieces of debris laying everywhere, and there were a lot of papers blowing around, and the ground was on fire." The debris, he said, was "very, very small." But, he added, "There was actually nothing to tell you that that was an aircraft." Szupinka commented, "Had you not known that that was an aircraft crash, you would've looked at that and you would've said something happened here, but I don't know what." [15]
Local resident John Maslak was one of the first people to arrive at the site, and saw the crater where Flight 93 supposedly went into the ground. A state trooper told him a plane had crashed there. But, Maslak has commented: "There was no way. The hole wasn't big enough and there was nothing there." [16]
The Germanwings cash, in contrast:
I don't doubt there was a plane that crashed at Shanksville on 9/11, I suspect that whatever turned the bulk of the Towers to dust was carried on the aircraft and also totally destroyed the aircraft that crashed in Pennsylvania.
Totalitarian regimes always have corruption somewhere, just because they select some people to take their wrath out on does not mean they have absolute control. There are generally those who are big (wealthy opposition, group opposition) or obvious opposition (facebook posters from Saudi Arabia itself) When you are outside of those two categories, even the Saudis cannot catch you. What a lot of people don’t realize is that a similar set of groups in the form of secret societies existed in Europe for the purposes of protecting each other from the wrath of the despotic European governments, they got together with special signs, passwords, etc. and didn’t publish out in the open to discuss material that the European rulers would either not approve, or material that was in the “iffy” territory. At the end of the day, those that aren’t shown to be obvious in their affiliation/beliefs or don’t show much of a following, are not high on the priorities for TPTB to bust.
The opposition, including Al Qaeda and others, operate as a secret society, they run on oaths and stay out of what is in regular view of government and the general public. I would be willing to gamble that if someone stayed off the internet and/or phones in the planning as a terrorist, then not even the Saudis or the United States would really be able to do much, until the act was already committed. Exceptions exist such as whistleblowers, but still, even the most powerful cyber-intelligence has blind spots.
I agree.
We’re not talking about a very big operation. We’re talking about 19 people in the U. S. and perhaps only a few in Saudi Arabia. Two or three people there, even as little as one could send funds here and facilitate “the plan”.
We’re not talking about hundreds or thousands of people.
Imagine the elites of Saudi Arabia keeping tabs on what every two or three people are doing in the kingdom.
We couldn’t keep tabs on 19 people.
The earliest video from ABC showed that a 757 did not make the initial hole in the pentagon, too. But people want to believe their government so it can lie blatantly with the enemy media in cahoots and not be called to accounts.
I hear what you’re saying. But we aren’t talking about a European opposition or a ‘secret society’. Also, countries like saudi arabia aren’t just totalitarian. They are hardcore *Islamic* dictatorships/gov’ts, where their internal practices of islam matches their islamic title, obviously with the blessing of the king. They also fund islamic teachings specifically wahhabi ones outside saudi arabia.
Equally, islamic terrorist grps are not simply some facebook posters or bloggers. Usernames/passwords are tip of the iceberg. They operate as networks (especially in the M.E., north africa & generally the islamic world) and often are very well connected to the upper echelons of the gov’t(s). There are hardly ‘strangers’ among them; more part of same or affiliated clans & tribes with much face to face contact. Does a saudi royal or gov’t official know each & every one of them or have “absolute control over those they know”? Naturally, no. But they’re well connected. BTW, am not solely referring to OBL or 9/11 hijackers.
Saudi Arabia is one of the worst culprits in propagating & funding islam around the world. No less because they’ve billions of $$$ along with their gulf states buddies to finance as they do.
Opposition that saudi gov’t cares about consists of 1) those who object to islamic/sharia practices there & want more freedom, and 2) those inside or outside saudi arabia who become too threatening, too close for comfort & make moves to overthrow the current islamic regime to institute their own version of islam. IOW, current saudi regime only cares about saving themselves - the latter is the saudi ‘double policy’ i mentioned earlier in this thread.
Bin Laden was behind a push to overthrow the Saudis. His group managed to successfully operate within Saudi Arabia for some time. They were a secret society because openness would make them able to be caught and prosecuted for treason. Regarding 9/11, sure the Saudis wanted to preserve their own regime, but that was only because someone behind the 9/11 attacks was also working to overthrow them.
AQ is and was not the only grp. ISIS is another, more recent & infamous one. There are many other grps. But it’s more like one islamic set officially in charge of a country fighting another which is not.
To be precise — the words of the Grand Mufti are the official pronouncements of the Saudi regime. For people who have a separation of Church and state (indeed much of the Western world), it may be difficult to understand the Saudi regime. The Mufti and the King are both part of the Saudi-Wahabbi regime
Their only allegiance, only ally is Islam and specifially the Salafist Wahab strain. They use the USA only for this purpose and have used it and American money since the 60s to pay for the spread of Salafist teaching across hte world
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