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The John Birch Society & Article V - Standing for Hypocrisy and Deception
Vanity ^ | 03-27-2015 | MJ Alexander (Vanity)

Posted on 03/27/2015 2:21:16 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ

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To: demshateGod
You wrote: "Tell me I’m wrong."

Easy... you're wrong.

21 posted on 03/27/2015 3:07:03 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ (Artcile V... A Solution as Big as the Problem - http://www.conventionofstates.com/problem)
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To: Strawberry AZ

Impeach Earl Warren!!


22 posted on 03/27/2015 3:08:37 PM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12, 73, ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Strawberry AZ

10-4


23 posted on 03/27/2015 3:10:01 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: Strawberry AZ

So you don’t think after millions of dollars, hours of time, and political capital spent, the ruling class will just give up their hard won powers? No, you’re wasting your time.


24 posted on 03/27/2015 3:10:34 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Strawberry AZ
This isn't the first time the John Birch Society has engaged in hypocrisy. In his book William F. Buckley, Jr.: Pied Piper of the Establishment (Appleton, Wis.: John Birch Society, 2002), JBS leader John F. McManus slammed conservative pundit James Burnham for having been a Trotskyist in his youth--even though he had repudiated Trotskyism decades earlier. Yet in 1965, the Birchers' publishing house Western Islands republished Burnham's book The Web of Subversion: Underground Networks in the US Government (New York: Day, 1954). The book was issued as one of The Americanist Classics, a series of nonfiction paperbacks, and heavily promoted in Birch publications and in the American Opinion Bookstores, which were run by the JBS.

It seems odd that the Birchers would be so eager to promote a book by someone denounced by their leader for having "Trotskyist" views.

25 posted on 03/27/2015 3:15:40 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Theoria
Then I suggest that you make a clear distinction between what their agenda is and what ours is, otherwise it appears that your are trying to imply some sort of alignment.

This is (still) a free country, and the protections and Articles of the Constitution apply to everyone, including George Soros and WolfPAC. They are free to try to pull off their own Big Government COS, but good luck with getting 32 states to sign on to that agenda.

By the way, to assuage that hint of fear that may have prompted your post, even if Soros, et al, were able to convene and report out a proposed amendment that would, say, repeal the 2nd Amendment, all it would take to kill it would be one chamber in just thirteen states... that's all... and the legislators wouldn't even have to do anything, they wouldn't even have to bring it to a vote. They could just table the proposal, as legislatures are wont to do with many GOOD proposals, and it would simply die an inglorious death.

26 posted on 03/27/2015 3:17:04 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ (Artcile V... A Solution as Big as the Problem - http://www.conventionofstates.com/problem)
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To: demshateGod
You wrote: "... you’re wasting your time."

Sez you. Personally, I think the Framers of the Constitution, the Founders of this nation had it right. That's why they specifically included Article V as an article, not an amendment.

You're the one who's wasting your time... and mine.

27 posted on 03/27/2015 3:21:22 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ (Artcile V... A Solution as Big as the Problem - http://www.conventionofstates.com/problem)
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To: Fiji Hill

Very interesting... I’ll look into this. Thanks!


28 posted on 03/27/2015 3:22:47 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ (Artcile V... A Solution as Big as the Problem - http://www.conventionofstates.com/problem)
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To: Regulator

Same with Pat Buchanan’s predictions; he was marginalized by the left and their media pitbulls because he is a God-fearing Christian who loves America.


29 posted on 03/27/2015 3:23:58 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Strawberry AZ

Just go ahead. If there’s anything left of the country when you get your term limits or 17th amendment repealed, and the court just arbitrarily throws it out, like they always do, will you join me in simply nullifying unconstitutional rulings? Go back and read Give Me Liberty or Give me Death, you’re part of the group who are begging at the feet of the king.

What is it, 33 states you need? I’ll give you 23 states, many of those are iffy. Which ones do you think will go along? When they don’t, will you just relinquish your liberty? Are you counting on Missouri, Minnesota, and Virginia? Your betting your liberty on them? How long do you think this will take?


30 posted on 03/27/2015 3:35:03 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Strawberry AZ
I thought I had seen it all, until I read a freeper post that feared Scotus would throw out any amendment involving congressional term limits or brought the states back to the senate.
31 posted on 03/27/2015 3:42:58 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Strawberry AZ

Amazing... The John Birch Society was almost 100% correct about EVERYTHING...

They predicted the Clintoon’s and Obama... and WARNED of WORSE..
Daily we are watching WORSE happen..

Even The John Birch Society didn’t predict mass treason by americans.. black -and/OR- white..

Caution: ANYBODY that disses The John Birch Society is probably A TRAITOR... covertly HERE..


32 posted on 03/27/2015 4:00:10 PM PDT by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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To: Strawberry AZ

Bircher’s are probably right. The convention will probably be hijacked by those guys with all the money and power who run things now. They may even be behind the current push for a convention.


33 posted on 03/27/2015 4:03:08 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Dalberg-Acton
Article V debate w/ JBS
34 posted on 03/27/2015 4:51:18 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: demshateGod

how do you defend the constitution when the judiciary took away taxpayer standing? you have no means of redress and as we have now learned, no representation.


35 posted on 03/27/2015 6:01:56 PM PDT by jdirt
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To: Strawberry AZ

The “Con con” drones and others that are against an Article V convention never have a solution. It would be better if they just stuck their heads back in the sand. The useless negativity does nothing except make our job harder. Doing nothing is not an option to any who really care about the restoration of the Republic and the Constitution.


36 posted on 03/27/2015 8:04:38 PM PDT by GILTN1stborn ( #rememberbenghazi #extortion17 #impeachobama)
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To: demshateGod; Jacquerie
To DemshateGod - You wrote, "...and the court just arbitrarily throws it out..."

This is a perfect example of misinformation. Whoever told you that the Supreme Court can throw out a ratified Amendment, arbitrarily or otherwise, did you a great disservice.

If you are a young product of today's public school system, I suppose I should give you a pass. If, on the other hand, you are simply one of the willingly uneducated regurgitators of ignorance fed to you by the JBS, then you need to be told how embarrassingly wrong you are.

Begun last year by Citizens for Self-Governance, this Convention of States Project is expected to take at least five years to reach the 32-state threshold. The greatest hurdle is re-educating our elected officials, disabusing them of the false notions they hold, many of whom are victims themselves of the liars and fear-mongers of the John Birch Society.

And we beg at no one's feet. Article V was deliberately written into the Constitution by the Framers as an Article, not added as an amendment after the fact. George Mason (and others) stated that its specific purpose was to give the people in the states the method and the authority to circumvent the Executive, the Legislative and the Judicial should the need arise, and that need arose a long time ago. Article V is only 143 words, and I suggest that you take two minutes and read them... it's a whole lot shorter than Patrick Henry's beautiful monologue, and it makes his point precisely. We adhere to the notions of The Founders, not the JBS.

Lastly, although I am a supporter of certain, limited applications of nullification at the state level, I laughed out loud when I read your frivolous invitation for me to join you "in simply nullifying unconstitutional rulings." Besides being unconstitutional and an engraved invitation for violent federal intervention, if it's really that "simple," I challenge you to provide one instance where it has been upheld in any court of competent jurisdiction or even minimally effective on a national scale, for that is what we're talking about here... the nation. You let me know when Publius Huldah or anyone else at the John Birch Society figures out how we can nullify our way out of undeclared wars or invasive United Nations treaties, or a way to nullify us into a balanced budget or mandatory term limits for all federal officials.

37 posted on 03/28/2015 9:39:29 AM PDT by Strawberry AZ (Artcile V... A Solution as Big as the Problem - http://www.conventionofstates.com/problem)
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To: hosepipe
You wrote: "Caution: ANYBODY that disses The John Birch Society is probably A TRAITOR... covertly HERE.."

My response: You're an ass. In case you hadn't noticed, you're doing an excellent impersonation of a Leftist. Here... let me help you with that:

"Anyone who disses Obama is a racist."

See what I did there? You're an ass.

38 posted on 03/28/2015 9:45:05 AM PDT by Strawberry AZ (Artcile V... A Solution as Big as the Problem - http://www.conventionofstates.com/problem)
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To: Dalberg-Acton
You wrote: "Bircher’s are probably right"

Do you know what your use of the word "probably" tells me and everyone else here...? It's a shameful confession that you don't know. You didn't bother to do the research for yourself. You've simply decided that the John Birch Society is "probably" right.

America certainly needs more uneducated, unmotivated, uninvolved Pretend Patriots like you.

39 posted on 03/28/2015 9:50:38 AM PDT by Strawberry AZ (Artcile V... A Solution as Big as the Problem - http://www.conventionofstates.com/problem)
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To: Strawberry AZ
The greatest hurdle is re-educating our elected officials, disabusing them of the false notions they hold . . .

When I spoke in person with my state assemblyman almost two years ago, I was a bit surprised at HIS surprise regarding Article V. Fortunately, he was very receptive. As a businessman with 150 employees, he was well aware of the heavy hand of government on free enterprise.

So, FWIW my little experience with a state politician comports with your point.

Also, it is a mistake to equate state pols with the pols in DC. Most state legislatures are part time gigs. For many of these men and women to participate in state government is a burden, for every day in the state capital is a day away from their families and livelihoods.

There is a building groundswell of resistance. Obamacare has NEVER polled a majority. Dozens of states opposed it in the Scotus K-Court. All rat senators up for reelection in 2014 were defeated, and the GOP added to its majority in the House.

Obama largely rules by decree. These next 22 months may be our last chance to exercise peaceful means to restore the American Republic.

Article V. If not now, when?

40 posted on 03/28/2015 9:56:36 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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