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Germanwings co-pilot was 'signed off sick by TWO different doctors' for day of the disaster [trunc]
Daily Mail ^ | 03/27/15 | By Richard Spillett and Nick Fagge In Dusseldorf and Allan Hall In Berlin and Peter Allen In Paris a

Posted on 03/27/2015 12:44:43 PM PDT by BunnySlippers

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To: conservativejoy

It’s more likely he was simply mentally ill.

There are lots of mass murders throughout history who aren’t Muslins, just evil or crazy, from John List to Charles Starkweather and John Gacy.

He posted an anti-Islam comment, I dont think he’s Muslim.

Ed


81 posted on 03/27/2015 3:42:11 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: BunnySlippers

“A spokesman for Germanwings told MailOnline that under German employment law it was the responsibility of an employee to inform an employer if they were deemed unfit to work.”

It’s PRETTY DAMN OBVIOUS, but we need to get past the idea that “mental health professionals” live in the same world as a doctor that performs heart surgery. The mental health world is in the STONE AGE, compared to where surgeons and many other medical fields are.

Yes, some drugs work, or at least seem to, while they’re being taken. But then you find that virtually every psycho-killer has been in the mental health system. If a doctor, at least in this country, sees a kid who’s been abused, the privacy of the kid and his parents are gone and the police, BY LAW, have to be notified. Is it unreasonable to require than an employer be notified if a guy has gone psycho, like this guy?


82 posted on 03/27/2015 3:59:56 PM PDT by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my home page))
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To: dfwgator

Yes, I agree. There are going to be some major lawsuits there, and I bet the company (which is a state airline, I believe) will cease to exist.

Possibly there are German laws that prevent reporting these things to the employer (the doctors sent the reports to the copilot himself, telling him to report them to his employer), so they may have some coverage there. However, they seem to have given him chance after chance, even after he’d been out for periods of several months on end, and I don’t know why they did that. Although again, possibly they weren’t allowed to fire him on psychological grounds.


83 posted on 03/27/2015 4:23:49 PM PDT by livius
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To: BobL

SSRI withdrawal...ia dangerous thing

the vast majority of revent mass murderers in this nation had just recently stopped taking SSRI’ drugs Cold Turkey leaving them in FAR worse shape than they had been previous to beginning to take them.

As I understand it they have extreme difficulty in differentiating external reality from utter fantasy.

Hello this Is Your Pilot...Where Are we anyway??


84 posted on 03/27/2015 6:59:48 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
No evidence of Muzzies.

Rather, I see evidence of "A Perfect Storm":

  1. Girlfriend is in the process of breaking up with him, but it hadn't completely happened yet (reports say she only moved out of his place and in with her parents after the cops with the yellow tape knocked on the door ... or whatever tape German cops use).
  2. In desperation, he buys her a brand new Audi and pays for one for himself, perhaps so there's no doubt the first one's genuinely for her use only.
  3. She tells him it's over anyway. [SPECULATION: Perhaps his desperation gift even accelerates that process. She makes it clear money will NOT purchase her love ... which, BTW, puts her head & shoulders above a significant chunk of other members of the class of VERY Good-Looking Women, unfortunately for him, but fortunately for a future husband who's happy & willing to put up with her occasional post-March-2015 PTSD nightmares.]
  4. SPECULATION: Additional serious worries for him over medical problems possibly affecting employment, is being hotly discussed online, due to strong but (so far) incomplete evidence.
  5. A mere THREE DAYS after The Audi Heartbreak, he's on a flight that is to pass DIRECTLY over an area of the Alps that has been dear to his heart for many years, a place he knows intimately from the air from the frequent trips he took directly to it in his private-plane-flying days, an area with a beauty made extra-spectacular by the extreme ruggedness of the rocks that leave it uninhabited and wild.
  6. Yet more incredibly disastrous timing: The captain chooses to go to the loo at the EXACT MOMENT where a long controlled descent, if started immediately, would end up at that very special place in the Alps.
  7. SPECULATION: The lack of a suicide note doesn't prove, yet at least *supports* a scenario where, instead of it being a pre-planned suicide (which he'd hopefully have chosen to do by himself in his private plane), it could instead be this scenario w/ this timeline:
    • Three or more days of suicidal thoughts that had yet to crystallize into a firm plan, combined with
    • A complete, foolproof plan with all the ducks lined up perfectly, at 1000-to-1 odds, unexpectedly dropping into his lap ... a virtually irresistible temptation to set in front of a Latent Suicidal .... worse even than locking him into a dark room with a dozen different means for suicide laying on a brightly lit table, and Mozart's or Chopin's Death Marches wafting up from the floor vents.
    • He had to act *immediately* before the captain returned, in order for The-Perfect-Plan-That-Fate-Dropped-In-His-Lap to work, so there were only *seconds* of time available to reconsider an impulsive decision and think through all ramifications that could possibly have changed the decision.
    • The period of time in which he still had the two choices of "Annihilation, or back off with the pilot not knowing for certain what happened in here" likely was over & done with, the first time the pilot entered the door code and he overrode it, and certainly by the 2nd time. This wayyyyy-too-short phase, this fatally short phase, was replaced with....
    • ...the two choices of, "Annihilation, or back off and be immediately fired w/ perhaps even prison," seeing as how there was no way to convincingly explain away the recorder-documented sequence of: Pilot leaves cabin, followed immediately by ending auto-pilot while starting a manual steep descent, followed immediately by multiple door-entry overrides.
    • Also at this juncture, consider the unfortunate but common human reaction when one is faced with this timeline:
      • (A) Point at which you start to implement a decision you realize will end disastrously for you and others,
      • (A-to-B) Period during which you can reverse decision with no bad consequences for anyone,
      • (B-C) Period during which you can reverse decision resulting in disastrous consequences for nobody, but bad consequences for you, and no consequences for others,
      • (C) Disastrous ending for all.
      The reasoning people often use after passing Point (B) is illogical but common. The logical thinking should be: "Whoa! WTF was I thinking?? Ok, ok, focus... it's too late to stop bad consequences for me, but at least I can stop a disaster for everyone - including myself - by backing off NOW".
      But instead the reasoning goes something like this: "When I compare the difference in consequences between me pulling back at this moment, versus if I had pulled back a moment ago, it's clear the act of pulling back will now be a lot worse than it just was."
      And they will fixate on the pointless, moot comparison of: Quit-Right-Now(Bad) vs Quit-in-the-Past(Good), at the expense of making the only relevant comparison of: Quit-Right-Now(Bad) vs Don't-Quit(Disaster). And so "Disaster" doesn't look quite so awful when you're sitting at "Bad" than when you had previously viewed it from "Good".
    • Also from this moment on, any chance for quiet contemplation of reversal of his decision was gone. Consider the pounding on the door, the frantic escalating voice of the pilot, the escalating Air Traffic Control warnings & pleas, the loud sounds & lights of the cockpit instrumentation warnings, the need to carefully watch the status of the door override system, including the remaining seconds on its countdown timer, which after each expiration gave the pilot another opportunity to gain access if only he could punch in the keycode at a moment when the co-pilot was distracted enough that he failed to pounce on the override switch in time. ... Not to mention the simultaneous task of manually flying a plane to a chosen target.
      Nope. No time between now and Armageddon to think at all about his decision. No chance of reversing it.

Additional info useful in making (un-?)educated guesses:

I read an article titled something like: "Airplane Assisted Suicides Very Common" (misleading title it turns out), that linked to a VERY detailed FAA report of all 8 incidents within the decade ending 12/31/2012.

That PDF summarized an exhaustive investigation, including tables with lists of each suicide pilot's Rx's, lists of every potentially relevant substance detected in their blood tox panels, and much more, to look for similarities, for common threads. (Eg, all 8 were men).

I noticed that at least 3 or 4 of the 8 "immediate causes" were women problems:
a 25-yr old dumped "recently" by his girl,
a 21-yr old the very same evening his girl dumped him,
a 47-yr old in the middle of a bitter divorce,
a 48-yr old w/ problems in "his personal life".

The remaining 4 motivations/causes: unknown(a 26yr-old), alcoholism(69), depression/psychiatric(45), and the infamous angry guy flying into an IRS building(53yrs).

[NOTE to Lois Lerner: Ad campaign idea: "The IRS - not nearly as bad as you think! Recent studies indicate in at least one important demographic, men were driven to suicide at least three times more often by women than by the IRS!"]

All 8 suicides were committed with private planes (and not commercial passenger planes as the first article seemed to insinuate). All but one resulted in a single death, so were classified as just "Suicide".

The sole exception, a "Murder-Suicide" that took two lives, was a pilot in a bitter divorce w/ custody issues, who took his young child up with him and crashed it into his ex-mother-in-law's home. His aim was accurate, but his timing was off; nobody apparently was home. [One victim likely in heaven; the other in a special compartment in hell]

Putting all this together, this is my best guess....

I STRONGLY SUSPECT this latest pilot+plane jilted-lover suicide would-have / should-have occurred just like the others in the report (if it happened at all), as a solo death in a small plane, if only, if only, if only ....
if only it had NOT been for the Perfect Storm / Ducks-In-A-Row falling into his lap like it did.

85 posted on 03/27/2015 8:27:48 PM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (Folks ask about my politics. I say: I dont belong to any organized political party. I'm a Republican)
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To: conservativejoy

It’s easy to get into the mindset that any great wickedness in the world must have a muslim connection. The problem with that is its corollary: that nobody without a muslim connection can be responsible for a great wickedness. That’s not only manifestly absurd, but also, for Christians, heretical.


86 posted on 03/28/2015 1:18:32 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: BunnySlippers

He wanted to make a name for himself, one way or another. It was reported that he told his girlfriend that he was going to do something that would change the industry..................


87 posted on 03/30/2015 6:11:18 AM PDT by Red Badger (Man builds a ship in a bottle. God builds a universe in the palm of His hand.............)
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