Four (Black) Cops Killed in Seven Days -- Where's the Outrage?

Townhall.com ^ | March 26, 2015 | Larry Elder

[manc]

Don’t go. There will always be bad apples in any profession. We all know or should all know there is good and bad in LE. For every bad deed there is always a good deed and someone being saved by an officer. Yes some have attitudes and yes some are there because they believe in helping people.

Yes there is a minority who just hate them for one reason or another. I know most of them on here now and I just ignore them.

Many go out there with their uniform and never know if they will ever come back to see their families. I know I myself have been helped by them over a contractor who never had a permit and threatened o blow peoples heads off if anyone told the cops. He had just got out of prison for armed robbery. If it were not for LE then the likes of that scumbag would be back on the street, As it is they looked into it, saw him try and run a neighbor over or scare them and then find a gun in his vehicle.

Just don;t leave here as we need good conservatives and just ignore the idiots

[DoughtyOne]

I agree there is truth to what you say.  Thank you.

Cops depend on each other in life and death situations. Doesn’t happen every day, and for many cops such a situation never really arises. But there’s always the chance today might be the day.  Yes, sadly there is.

By definition, such a relationship creates strong bonds and a desire to protect. And that’s all to the good.  

Yes it is, but there is reason to expect good men to come forward and be frank about what they see.  Now is that wise in a society as litigeous as ours?  Probably not.  I may not like this, but it's probably true and universal department(s) policy.

But the problem is that there is also a downside. Particularly when carried too far.  

Yes, I believe it can be.  I don't believe it is the individual officer's duty to comment on what another officer has done, but it also should be said they shouldn't cover for, or lie for their fellow officer either.  Where that happens, offending officers should face the charge of being an accomplice after the fact.

The militarization and extreme force used by cops that has become more reported in recent years leads me to wonder about something.

It has led me to a conclusion, beyond mere wondering.  The no knock raids have become so over the top, that it's a recognizable abuse of the public's good will toward law enforcment for them to be carried out as they are, and more importantly, as prolifically as they are.  I would also recommend that a county-wide agency be established where possible, so that there be only a limited number of swat teams out there, and under one jurrisdiction, and severely limited as to under what circumstances they should be used for.

Likely most conservatives I generally discounted black people with their complaints of police brutality.  

And so have I, but I will say that I have been open to the idea of there being abuses.  I will also acknowledge that the first act of a crook caught dead to rights, is to try and find falt with the officer as his only defense.  Just like the Clintons, these crooks instinctively know that all you have to do is offer up (even a lie) a plausible excuse or story, and you're peeps will always support you.  Hell, most of them will knowing the full truth.  Hey, Blacks have a break coming because of history.  Gack!

Now, this being said, I also want to acknowledge that these officers know their districts.  They know the players.  They've run into them many times before.  So not only do they know what the perp is capable of, but they also get to the point they probably want to deliver a message to the perp, "Quit -------- with us, because this is only going to get worse for you."  Now that may be wrong, but I think it's a factor.  It's human nature.  It may also be effective with some players, when nothing else is.

But could it be that cops are now bringing out into the wider community methods and attitudes they’ve always had when dealing with the black community? Could all those minorities complaining about police brutality have been at least partialy right?

Well, in some instances yes.  In others these folks know exactly what the problem is.  They know little Razbo has been a prick even at home, at school, to kids in the neighborhood, to small animals...  None of that is mentioned when they morn little Razbo in front of the evening news feed cameras.  Some of this may play in the wider community too.  Then again, we know that officers are human too, and sometimes they do screw up.

[cherry]

I would say that everybody on FR is wildly, passionately pro law and order, pro police.....

that is why it is so upsetting when we read of cops doing shenanigans or going gestapo.....that is not what the police should be about...

[Dutchboy88]

"I would say that everybody on FR is wildly, passionately pro law and order, pro police....."

You seem to have a very nice attitude about this, but I respectfully disagree with this first conclusion. Further, it is not yet clear (if you are referring to the woman officer) that "shenanigans" were involved. That pejorative term implies you already know all of the facts and have pronounced her "guilty"...even before the trial.

[Sherman Logan]

Can’t disagree with anything you say. Which is kind of sad.

[Sherman Logan]

Another thought.

By far the single greatest asset the police can possibly have on their side is a general perception by the public that their exercise of authority is legitimate. That they are honest and “on my side.”

While we all know there are good and bad cops, as in every other group, my default position has always been that cops are the good guys. I’ve slipped a lot more towards a neutral position in that regard due to things that have happened over the last few years.

Shortcuts involving violence and dishonesty are of course appealing, but by their very nature they whittle away at the true foundation of the cops’ authority and ability to do their job well.

Witness the black community, where the default assumption is cops are the bad guys. Is this all the cops’ fault? Doubtful. Have they contributed? Most likely.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

LOL! I did mention it, he’s an idiot for doing that—we agree right?

I’m referring to him being on the ground motionless with 2 bullets then being plowed into him by an untrained, over-emotional cop.

You’re going to defend that? He was toast at that point, all she had to do was cuff him.

[Revelation 911]

Wow...some pent up rage eh?

Where did i say i endorsed the death of these officers,?

[Dutchboy88]

With all due respect, read the article...again. He was down, one hand free, one hand underneath. She thought he was reaching for something. And, she had 14 years experience, so not "untrained". Put yourself in the situation...he is rolling with one hand "reaching" and make the split-second call. You want to go home in a box or does he go in the box? I vote him.

Why didn't he stop in the first place?

[House Atreides]

“the poster has a point”
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Yes the poster (of post #6 in this thread) has a point; but it's not a valid or logical point. It's as though some FReepers made disparaging comments on the co-pilot (pretty prime example of a “bad” pilot) who crashed the Lufthansa plane this week and the poster comes in here and assumes anybody who took exception to such a bad pilot was a “pilot hater”. Poster of post 6 clearly has a blind spot in his logical thinking abilities IMHO.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you, and I should say that I didn’t fully address your last point. Are officers bringing gheto tactics out into the broader community? I don’t object to that opinion. Perhaps yes and perhaps no. It would depend on the community.

I have no doubt there are some agencies out there that are borderline or over. I don’t believe the majority are.

[DoughtyOne]

I lean toward those positions as well.

I remember when I was about five years old, I was traveling in the family car and my grandfather was pulled over.

Right there on the spot, my grandfather explained that you treat officers with respect. You follow their directions and do as requested.

I wonder sometimes what percent of the nation’s kids get this kind of instruction.

Society has become much more base. I’m sure every officer deals with jerks day in and day out. This has got to have an effect over time.

[DoughtyOne]

Where did I say you did?

[Revelation 911]

There may be too much red meat in your diet