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Battle flag at center of Supreme Court free speech case
AP ^ | March 22, 2015

Posted on 03/22/2015 12:28:41 PM PDT by PROCON

Texas commemorates the Confederacy in many ways, from an annual celebration of Confederate Heroes Day each January to monuments on the grounds of the state Capitol in Austin. Among the memorials is one that has stood for more than a century, bearing an image of the Confederate battle flag etched in marble.

But you're out of luck if you want to put that flag on your license plate. Texas says that would be offensive.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; confederateflag; dixie; lawsuit; scotus; texas
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"In a free society, offensive speech should not just be tolerated, its regular presence should be celebrated as a symbol of democratic health -- however odorous the products of a democracy may be," Hentoff, O'Rourke and others said in a brief backing the group.

Exactly, too bad if your feelings get hurt.

1 posted on 03/22/2015 12:28:41 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON
“I know it has a grand sound to say ye’ll accept no salvation which leaves even one creature in the dark outside. But watch that sophistry or you’ll make a Dog in a Manger the tyrant of the universe.”

- C. S. Lewis

2 posted on 03/22/2015 12:38:59 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: PROCON

My ancestors fought in both armies. I am proud of them all.


3 posted on 03/22/2015 1:02:16 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The Antietam Battlefield tour placards all now refer to the Confederates as “the enemy”.


4 posted on 03/22/2015 1:10:33 PM PDT by Salamander (Like acid and oil on a madman's face, reason tends to fly away.)
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To: PROCON
This is the US where flying the US flag should be celebrated. The Confederate flag, in any form, is no different than flying the Nazi flag or Islamic flag. Those are fine in a museum to remind us of that past, or flown by enemies of the US. But aside from this, they are all equally offensive. If you'd fly the Nazi or Islamic flag, go for the Confederate as it is the same. Seriously, this is America and no upside to showing your racist side, or whatever. A conservative, an American, not a neo-Nazi, a skinhead or a traitor, should be flying the US flag. There is no honor in dissing America to fly a flag of hate, regardless of the excuses, a flag flown by over dead Americans.

And, yes, I know I'll get flamed here by a number of folks who will defend their offensive views, throw hate at me, call me names, etc. but that doesn't change the fact that the Confederate flag has no place outside a museum. Good, real American-loving conservatives, unlike others, should see this without being reminded. You never saw Reagan or, today, Cruz and any number of folks going around flying the Confederate flag, correct? Just say'in...

5 posted on 03/22/2015 1:13:51 PM PDT by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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To: Reno89519

My Southern ancestors weren’t slave owners, they just didn’t like yankees.


6 posted on 03/22/2015 1:22:09 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: PROCON

I am just glad they actually call it the Confederate battle flag here instead of just the Confederate flag. Though technically the rectangular form was the naval flag.


7 posted on 03/22/2015 1:25:51 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Salamander
The Antietam Battlefield tour placards all now refer to the Confederates as “the enemy”.

That's Slick's political-warfare department at work. He called in Eric Foner and James McPherson to give authorial legitimacy to his own political derogation of the South, which was central to all his, and Obama's, efforts to "break the box": the Finkelstein Box.

The Box is a constellation of States from Florida to the Mountain West that the 'Rats have to break into to get at the baby. They have to demonize Southern conservatives as Them, and try to encourage Midwestern moderate conservatives to dissociate themselves from the ineffably horrid Them and vote for the nice Democrats.

8 posted on 03/22/2015 1:30:05 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Reno89519

Sick Sick to even mention the confederate flag is the same as Nazi and islam. Still shaking my head.


9 posted on 03/22/2015 1:35:31 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Reno89519
If you'd fly the Nazi or Islamic flag, go for the Confederate as it is the same. Seriously, this is America and no upside to showing your racist side, or whatever.

Exhibit A supporting my last: This is Clinton talking (and laughing) through the mouth of someone else, propagating the historical message he wanted to send to all the conservatives west of the Mississippi: Southerners are evil racist lynch mobs. (There hasn't been a lynching in the US since 1962; but there have been plenty of "flash mob" beatdowns that turned into murder, how 'bout that?)

But Clinton, at the end of his incumbency, sent that message to weak minds like this poster, to drive them away from Newt Gingrich and Allen West and Richard Shelby and Bobby Jindal and all the other racist Southerners who opposed the "Hillary cluster" values and politics.

And here pops up Exhibit A to my last. Gaze upon it, and marvel. Cthulhu walks among us, behold his works!

10 posted on 03/22/2015 1:45:07 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: Reno89519
The Confederate flag, in any form, is no different than flying the Nazi flag or Islamic flag.


11 posted on 03/22/2015 1:46:33 PM PDT by abishai
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To: Reno89519

I don’t make that comparison, since Texas never part of the Nazi empire. I may not agree with or like someone else’s expression of their opinion, but I will defend their right to that opinion-that is how “free speech” is intended to work.

The six flags that have flown over Texas since Europeans came in the 1500’s are the flag of Spain-two different versions-the flag of France, the flag of Mexico, the flag of the Republic of Texas-which is now our state flag-the US flag-for the first time-the flag of the confederate states, then the US flag again.

The Confederate flag most commonly flown in Texas then was the stars and bars-not the confederate battle flag, which I assume is the one you are referring to-but both were used.

My family has been in what is now Texas since the late 1700’s-some years before that, they came to Mexico from Spain. We are mestizos-some of my native American ancestors were no doubt slaves to the Spaniards-so the descendants had a dislike for slavery and didn’t own any.

I don’t care for being descended in most part from from slave holding Spaniards-but to pretend that Spanish flag-or any of the other five-never flew here, or forbid the display of it is not only forbidding free speech, it is also being in denial...


12 posted on 03/22/2015 1:49:29 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Reno89519

Go away Newbie.

Consider yourself flamed.

While you are away, gather some intelligence and learn some historical facts about your Southern brethren.


13 posted on 03/22/2015 1:50:54 PM PDT by Dacula
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
My ancestors fought in both armies. I am proud of them all.
Same here - I have the Confederate Battle flag, the Stars and Stripes, two Gadsden flags, POW/MIA flag, various state flags on the walls of my shop. They are American history.
14 posted on 03/22/2015 1:52:22 PM PDT by dainbramaged (Get out of my country now)
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To: PROCON

The worthless supremes say it is ok to have a picture of Jesus in a jar of urine. The scum say it is art and is protected free speech.
That means it is ok to crap on a made up photo of muhammed.
The confederate battle flag is a symbol of Southern pride. If many don’t care for it, tough. It is protected free expression.get over it.,


15 posted on 03/22/2015 1:54:04 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ( Obammy is a lie, a mooselimb and pond scum.)
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To: Reno89519

If you aint southern,you aint.It was yankee aggression and what they did to our homes and land is unforgivable.


16 posted on 03/22/2015 1:56:29 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I heard 1968 was the last confirmed lynching.


17 posted on 03/22/2015 2:02:40 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: Republican1795.
The rectangular form was also the battle flag of the Army of Tennesee. Gen. Bragg originally had his flags designed by an officer with knowledge of heraldry, who consequently adorned the 1 X 2 proportioned flags with six-pointed "stars" rather than five-pointed "mullets" (as they are called in heraldry).

The Bragg flag was shown in 1862 and 1863, until later issues were reproportioned shorter and given five-pointed stars, which they carried in the desperate battles of 1864.

So the rectangular version was both a naval ensign and a battle flag.

West of the Mississippi, the flag lost its white fimbriations and sometimes (in Texas) was given an extra-large Lone Star in the center (as had been done there since the beginning of the war, also done with the 1861 "Stars and Bars"), and sometimes in Louisiana and Arkansas and Texas was displayed with colors reversed, a brilliant, highly-saturated shade of deep blue predominating.

There was also Gen. Polk's flag, displayed in the Army of Tennessee in his division (and also by Texas regiments in his commands), which also reversed the colors but used a Cross of St. George as its pattern (Polk was an Episcopal bishop).

18 posted on 03/22/2015 2:04:13 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house, the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

How do they feel now?


19 posted on 03/22/2015 2:11:26 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: Reno89519
It is talking about the Confederate Battle Flag. I honor the brave men who fought under that flag. No different than I honor the brave men that fought under the Wehrmacht(and weren't Nazi's) flag or the Templar Flag. If it was the Confederate Flag that would be different.

I invoke Goodwin's Law and assert you already lost the discussion.

I don't expect much since you live in 519 - the Kalifornia part of Reno.

20 posted on 03/22/2015 2:11:31 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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