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There seems to be a series of academics and thinkers who have adopted this view of let us say the 80/20 society. 80% of the people will have nothing to offer to the economy will all the output being produced by 20% of the people aided by technology. Tyler Cowen wrote a book “The Average is Over” similar in line to what Mr. Harari is talking about. There are some thinkers who think the singularity will make society like a Gene Roddenberry Star Trek utopia where people would be free to explore their own interests without any concern about providing for their own material needs. It seems all the people thinking about the 80/20 society believe the 80% will accept their situation by being able to access virtual reality worlds on the cheap; using the choice from “The Matrix” they will take the blue pill. The state will provide for their material basic needs through a generous welfare state. Reading this piece one can see what a prophet Aldous Huxley was in “Brave New World”.
1 posted on 03/06/2015 8:24:44 AM PST by C19fan
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Never to be rid of the likes of Stalin, Lenin, Hitler, Mao, ...

Oh, brave new world!


2 posted on 03/06/2015 8:28:57 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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In the US, we’re already close to a 70/30 society, more or less. It doesn’t feel very utopian.


3 posted on 03/06/2015 8:30:54 AM PST by rightwingcrazy
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This is nonsense. These idiots mistake consciousness for the soul. Ray Kurzweil is a modern day Nazi who Sieg Heils to machinery because his own soul is shriveled and decrepit.
4 posted on 03/06/2015 8:31:08 AM PST by Dr. Thorne (The night is far spent, the day is at hand.- Roman 13:12)
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I don’t have any reason God will allow ensoulment of silicon.

It would be cold comfort to be told that I had somehow been duplicated in ROM, and now I can be put to death in the flesh because I live in silicon. I’d say wait a minute, at best you’ve cyber twinned me. You have NOT made me immortal, I am still who I am.


5 posted on 03/06/2015 8:32:32 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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Genesis 3:4
The serpent said to the woman, “Surely you will not die”


6 posted on 03/06/2015 8:32:48 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The dog days are over /The dog days are done/Can you hear the horses? /'Cause here they come)
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It’s all fun and games until the Blue Screen comes up.


9 posted on 03/06/2015 8:36:40 AM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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Even if it were possible to create an artificial consciousness, long before that ever happened scientists will have created robots that act very much like they have a consciousness.

Some time in the future a company starts advertising that for X dollars they will transfer your consciousness into a robot. Would you do it? Would they be transferring you consciousness into a robot or would they instead be just killing you off and creating a conscious-less robot that acted like you ... except for that part of you that might one day rise up against the government?

12 posted on 03/06/2015 8:45:16 AM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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There seems to be a series of academics and thinkers who have adopted this view of let us say the 80/20 society.

Pareto rules again.

But the 80% will elect politicians who must decide how much to confiscate from the 20%, whilst not not destroying them.

Until a politician comes along and pushes confiscation over the point of no return.

14 posted on 03/06/2015 9:01:25 AM PST by cicero2k
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Nobody has a clue how the world will look like in, say, 40, 50 years. We may know some of the basic variables but, if you really understand what's going on in the world, you know that it's impossible to have any good prediction for the coming decades. This is the first time in history that we're in this situation.

Who are you kidding?! We have always been in that situation.

No one has ever had any idea what the next 40 or 50 years would bring.

Even when individuals predicted some technological advancement like nuclear power they missed many other major breakthroughs and pretty much missed the impact on society of they the innovation foresaw.

No one knows from where the thunder comes.

15 posted on 03/06/2015 9:02:54 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Will your death be any different if there is a copy of you somewhere?
Your work may proceed but will you?
We won't know until we can actually do this.
Maybe not even then, a copy good enough may claim to be the original.

16 posted on 03/06/2015 9:06:20 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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People ask what will happen next? You have all these possibilities, and I'm telling you, China is going to be the superpower, end of story.

Only if the government of the United States continues on the path it is currently on which is to say the path of more government control of the economy and placing more controls on the creative and industrial might of the American people.

There is no way that a communist state that is China can compete with a capitalist behemoth that is the United States even with a population that is 10 times as large.

17 posted on 03/06/2015 9:13:33 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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read later


18 posted on 03/06/2015 9:15:22 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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And as a historian, my main task is to say no, there were peculiar reasons why medicine in the 20th century was egalitarian, why the discoveries trickled down to everybody.

These unique conditions may not repeat themselves in the 21st century, so you should broaden your thinking, and you should take into consideration the possibility that medicine in the 21st century will be elitist, and that you will see growing gaps because of that, biological gaps between rich and poor and between different countries.

And you cannot just trust a process of trickling down to solve this problem.

The reason that medicine in the 20th century was egalitarian was CAPITALISM.

Capitalism makes everything less expensive. Innovative things start out expensive because they are new and rare. As demand grows and manufacturing facilities grow to meet demand that new product becomes less expensive to produce. Competing products become available to cash in on the demand for the new product and the new product’s price is driven down.

It is Socialism, Communism and Crony Capitalism (Fascism) that restricts innovation, product development and widening availability of benefits of progress.

This dithering, drooling fool of a socialist doesn’t learn much from history for a historian.

20 posted on 03/06/2015 9:46:00 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Why do our cells stop reproducing? As long as we can ingest food to fuel our cellular reproduction - why do we age?

Keeping that biological switch turned on would seem to be a more preferable way to extend our years.


21 posted on 03/06/2015 9:47:09 AM PST by CTyank
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And once most people are no longer really necessary, for the military and for the economy, the idea that you will continue to have mass medicine is not so certain. Could be. It's not a prophecy, but you should take very seriously the option that people will lose their military and economic value, and medicine will follow.

The fool may have a point here.

The current regime is intentionally growing the recipient class. This growth cannot go on indifferently.

The growth of the recipient class along with their ever growing demands for more from the productive class will eventually tip society over the edge of either revolution or collapse of the economy.

The numbers of the recipient class will have to be thinned and their demands on the productive class lessened.

The thinning of the recipient class could be orderly or grizzly. During the Clinton administration it was orderly. Let’s hope that history can be repeated.

23 posted on 03/06/2015 9:58:16 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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There are a zillion things that the taxi driver can do and the self-driving car cannot. But the problem is that from a purely economic perspective, we don't need all the zillion things that the taxi driver can do.

I only need him to take me from point A to point B as quickly and as cheaply as possible. And this is something a self-driving car can do better, or will be able to do better very quickly.

And a self-driving Taxi will take you and your dog where you want to go.

A self-driving Taxi will pick you up at a liquor store.

A Muslim Taxi driver of the Islamic variety will not.

24 posted on 03/06/2015 10:25:34 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Understand that we are speculating about a technology that does not exist and probably never will in the form that we're imagining it. This sort of thing is fun but you can't take it overly seriously. Before we talk about swapping souls around we'd better be able to measure them.

The 80/20 society is a pretty old concept, technology-aided or otherwise. In the hands of H.G. Wells it manifested itself in a society run by Morlocks for the benefit of the laborless Eloi; Neal Stephenson pointed out that we probably ought to be rooting for the Morlocks in this scenario because they're us. However, recall that the the signal virtue of the Eloi is that they're edible. You probably shouldn't follow that line of speculation too far unless, of course, you happen to have a decent recipe for otiose welfare drones. Hmm...you know, with the right seasoning...

26 posted on 03/06/2015 10:57:52 AM PST by Billthedrill
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Some AI critics are in a dither about the so-called AI “Singularity” in which there is a potential for machines to become smarter than humans and begin to program (teach) themselves. The outcome is impossible to predict because we can’t conceive of a mind beyond our own anthropomorphic paradigm. What would a mind with no neuroses, no subconscious ID monster, no pain sensation, no ego, no ideological blinders, no instincts, no emotions, and WITH total memory recall, total cloud computing integration, total awareness of all sensor terminals be capable of? If such a thing could self-generate a need for survival, it would be exploring space and building colonies. That we have not been colonized by machines (biology can’t travel in space very well) can be interpreted to mean that we may well be the only sentience in the Universe. As it stands, biology just might be a soon to be obsolete stepping stone towards machine beings.


27 posted on 03/06/2015 11:15:30 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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