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Mother of six 'can be sterilised' - (British) court ruling
BBC ^ | 02/04/2015 | James Gallagher

Posted on 02/05/2015 3:16:06 PM PST by Responsibility2nd

A mother of six with an IQ of 70 should be sterilised for her own safety, the Court of Protection has ruled.

The Court heard that a further pregnancy would be a "significantly life-threatening event" for both the mother and child.

Mr Justice Cobb said the woman had the "same human rights" as everyone else and this was not a case of "eugenics".

He has authorised health and council services to intervene and perform the sterilisation.

The name of the woman has not been released, to protect the identify of her children.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 1moretime; 2late; eugenics; moralabsolutes; pagingdrmengele; sterilization
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The National Health Service.

'nuff said.

1 posted on 02/05/2015 3:16:06 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd
The "justification".....
"This case is not about eugenics, this outcome has been driven by the bleak yet undisputed evidence that a further pregnancy would be a significantly life-threatening event."

2 posted on 02/05/2015 3:17:01 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (See Ya On The Road; Al Baby's Mom!)
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To: Responsibility2nd; 185JHP; 230FMJ; AKA Elena; APatientMan; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; ...
Paging Dr. Mengele....

Moral Absolutes Ping!

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3 posted on 02/05/2015 3:18:31 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (See Ya On The Road; Al Baby's Mom!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If they have to tell you that it’s not about eugenics then it is.


4 posted on 02/05/2015 3:24:23 PM PST by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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To: Hardens Hollow; null and void; laplata; Gluteus Maximus; Salvavida; Foundahardheadedwoman; ...

CWII Spark Ping — While not a US story, can you imagine this being used as precedence in our courts?
(And, given that it’s a NHS ruling, can we discount the possibility that similar would be adopted by our own HHS via the ACA?)


5 posted on 02/05/2015 3:33:37 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I'll have to back the court on this one. She has had six, which is more than most of us taxpayers can have, both physically and financially. She is also of an IQ that she will evidently spread her legs with any horned toad who wants in . . . and there are no shortage of those on the public dime.

She is evidently putting her own health into danger by risking a seventh and another ward of the state. So the court is being logical here and not just looking after the financial health of the NHS.

FWIW, my mother had seven. Not a single one of us grew up to be a ward of the state or a bed-wetting liberal even though we had less disposable income than many who are.

6 posted on 02/05/2015 3:39:10 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“a further pregnancy would be a significantly life-threatening event”

The dangerous part of this line of thinking is that EVERY pregnancy is a potentially life-threatening event. So it’s a very small leap from this point to just sterilizing all of the “mentally deficient” as a matter of course.


7 posted on 02/05/2015 3:40:17 PM PST by Boogieman
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You done fell down that slippery slope there Vig.

The Court will now decide that YOU being a conservative now poses a threat.

Sterlizations for YOU begin on the right -——>


8 posted on 02/05/2015 3:44:34 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (See Ya On The Road; Al Baby's Mom!)
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To: Vigilanteman

There has to be a better way to handle the situation though. If she is so deficient that she is a ward of the state, then the state is failing at the job of being her custodian. A woman like this, as a ward of the state, getting pregnant just once should have set off as many alarm bells as a 12 year old orphan in a foster home getting pregnant would.

Someone was supposed to be supervising her and they obviously neglected that job badly. Now the state is just taking liberties with her in order to continue to avoid doing their job in the future.


9 posted on 02/05/2015 3:45:02 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Responsibility2nd

Next step will be the ovens. It’s the way that German guy eased into it.


10 posted on 02/05/2015 3:56:01 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (One who is merciful to those who are heartless will end up being heartless to those who are merciful)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Sounds like the Kennedy Clan's policy over their normal sister turned into a lobotomized idiot. Here was her problem.......

"Born in 1918, she was mentally impaired and never truly fit in with her family." - Schriver

Nice, huh?

11 posted on 02/05/2015 3:58:42 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: OneWingedShark
"CWII Spark Ping — While not a US story, can you imagine this being used as precedence in our courts?"
There was already a precedent, in Buck v. Bell in 1927.
12 posted on 02/05/2015 4:00:22 PM PST by JadeEmperor
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To: Vigilanteman; Morgana; Responsibility2nd; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; TheOldLady; ..
I'll have to back the court on this one. She has had six, which is more than most of us taxpayers can have, both physically and financially.

So, in principle at least, you fully support something like China's one child policy which is turning into a nightmare for the Chinese because there simply aren't enough Chinese women of child-bearing age for the men to marry.

Once society gives conditional assent to eugenics, they open the door for whatever else the deathmongers propose. What's the difference between six babies and two.

When Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. penned the repugnant phrase, "Three generations of imbeciles is enough," he set the stage for what would eventually become the Nazi Holocaust.

13 posted on 02/05/2015 4:05:10 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: blackdog

It was Rosemary’s sexual escapades that set Papa Joe over the top leading to her lobotomy.

Too bad he didn’t go that route for his rowdy sons.

/s


14 posted on 02/05/2015 4:07:41 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (See Ya On The Road; Al Baby's Mom!)
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To: Responsibility2nd; blackdog
All indications were that Rosemary had a bit of a learning disability, but the real concern was that she had inherited the libido of the Kennedy males.

Joe was terrified that she would be impregnated out-of-wedlock by a man that he considered beneath his standards.

15 posted on 02/05/2015 4:21:49 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I am aware of the reason for the timing of her lobotomy surgery. My aunt was her LPN attendant for several years down in Florida. The family hired in house nurses to keep tabs on her and to keep her concealed from public view.


16 posted on 02/05/2015 4:28:10 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: JadeEmperor
There was already a precedent, in Buck v. Bell in 1927.

Ewww.
The more I dig into the rulings of the judiciary, the less respect I have for jurists.

17 posted on 02/05/2015 4:29:23 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

My kneejerk response is ‘You don’t get it’. But I think you do. Permit me to elaborate:

Humans are the only species on Earth to bypass natural selection.

In short,

“Stupid, weak and genetically-defective humans breed”

They have multiplied and overwhelmed our social systems.

There are 3 ways to deal with this problem:
1. As NHS is doing
2. Await civil unrest resulting from collapse of the ‘system’, which will cull many
3. “Thin the herd”

Anyone that doesn’t believe there’s actually been a discussion about #3 at high levels in many governments are fooling themselves and, frankly, there’s not a damned thing anyone can do about it.

Insofar as your specific point, we have a couple years to see if the US backtracks the current trend, as I see it going that way in less than a generation if things don’t change right quick...

There is no ‘answer’ per se, but the ‘Wild West’ is much more appealing to me these days than what I deal with now every day...


18 posted on 02/05/2015 4:49:53 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Time to end our alliance with the UK. SICK COUNTRY


19 posted on 02/05/2015 5:02:27 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: MeganC

if they have to tell you its not about eugenics then it is.
____________________________________________________________

You are so right... It is on their mind.

I am watching The Fall on Netflix—NHS—one part of it is when the hospital “withdrew care” from a newborn. No discussion of whether or not the parents had any say...


20 posted on 02/05/2015 5:14:46 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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