- No wonder 14 of these planes have crashed in the last 10 years- The chord should be at least as wide as the fuselage for good lift.
This thing is a flying coffin with a spaghetti wing.
compare wings of ATR 72 to a C130`s wings 
Posted on 02/03/2015 8:36:06 PM PST by machogirl
A plane belonging to Taiwanese carrier TransAsia Airways has crash-landed in a river in Taipei. More than 50 people were onboard at the time, and a number of people were reportedly injured. Some reports said there were several people trapped inside the plane in need of rescue. Taiwan's Central News Agency (CNA) showed a picture of a plane almost submerged in the Keelung river. The ATR-72 had just taken off from Taipei Songshan Airport and was headed to Kinmen Airport on the outskirts of Taiwan, just off the coast of south-east China, CNA said. The cause of the latest incident was not immediately clear. But CNA quoted a government spokesman as saying the plane crashed after hitting an elevated bridge. Local channel ETTV showed footage of the plane banking and hitting a road bridge before crashing into the river. Local media reported that several people had been rescued so far and sent to a nearby hospital. In July last year 48 people died when a TransAsia Airways plane crashed amid stormy weather in Taiwan's Penghu archipelago.
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I doubt that particular airframe is rated for that maneuver.
Really? I’d say the call was right- premature or not. The discussion isn’t about what caused an engine out scenario... but what occurs after an engine goes out, and the remedy at hand. Rudder- full right! Aileron/left- full down! Engine/right- reduce power! Prepare to crash! Looks like the pilot had about a milisecond to make a decision and he was trying to avoid the bridge (road curves toward flight path/approach.) Sometimes you eat the bear... and sometimes the bear eats you.
Doubt it. I can’t even imagine a simulation for it. There was no where for him to “drop” to a landing. Physics ended it.
It looks like it was basically "floating/pancaking" down until the hard bank to the left at the very end.
Probably partial power on the right engine and no power from the left, pilot doing all he could to keep it level, but just didn't have enough power available.
very sad watching. no way to save the plane from crashing.
- No wonder 14 of these planes have crashed in the last 10 years- The chord should be at least as wide as the fuselage for good lift.
This thing is a flying coffin with a spaghetti wing.
compare wings of ATR 72 to a C130`s wings
Thanks for that. I was just talking to my kid that does safety stuff about the crash. He was wondering about the design.
Accelerated stall and trying to make the river for a water landing compounded possibly by mismanagement of the remaining good engine. prop on engine appears to be feathered or may just be video frame rate playing games on my eyes.....
An accelerated stall is 1.05 to 1.25 times a normal stall speed due a steep turn the pilot was attempting to make that water landing IMO .....wow.
These graphics remind me of my engineering graphics class. (free hand drawing in the 80’s no CAD stuff, a T-square and pencils)
Ditto 60`S
We just won’t “ditto” too loud. ;)
My kids don’t know the world before calculators and computers. Thank goodness I never ever had to use a slide rule. My dad did though.
They released the recording of the taxi driver and his dispatcher. He told the dispatcher he was hit by a plane and the dispatcher asked if it was a small remote controlled plane. The driver said his car was ruined.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/05/asia/taiwan-crash-survivors/index.html
They’re like the Lockheed Electra, they rely a LOT more on airflow from the propellers than more conventional designs do. The type also has horrific problems with icing.
Seems to be pilot error after all. Engine#2 failed and the pilots cut fuel to #1. By the time they tried to restart the good engine, it was too late...
Yes, they apparently turned off the wrong engine if I am reading the rumors correctly.
Looks like #2 quit and went to idle, the computers automatically sent #1 into boost, feathered #2 props, and closed the bleed for #1. All as it should be to get the most power from the remaining engine.
Then #1 was manually shut off.
Later #1 had a restart or an attempted restart. #1 looks to be coming back to life right at the end.
Neither engine was producing much power as the plane crashed.
Human pilots are now the most dangerous thing in the cockpit. Airline pilot pay is now far too low to attract any competence. Engineers have little choice but to work on finishing the final piece of automation.
re: compounded possibly by mismanagement of the remaining good engine
FDR says that the right engine failed, and auto-feathered. Then the pilots gradually reduced power on the left (why?). This was basically a glider during the dashcam footage.
http://aviationweek.com/commercial-aviation/engine-failure-related-procedures-focus-transasia-probe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUQWJai59lo
Video from a building. They dropped like a rock, of course, with both engines doing nothing.
Must have been terrifying to see that out of the window of thew plane.
And of the buildings too, I guess.
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