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As DeflateGate video leaks, Patriots owner Robert Kraft and Seahawk's Richard Sherman feud
NYDailyNews.com ^ | Jan. 28, 2015 | Ralph Vacchiano

Posted on 01/28/2015 1:41:39 PM PST by Colofornian

PHOENIX — The New England Patriots owner and Seattle Seahawks cornerback were trading insults while the NFL was reportedly reviewing video of a Patriots employee going into the bathroom with a bag of footballs.

Just when you thought Super Bowl Media Day couldn’t get any more bizarre...

Thanks to DeflateGate, though, there seems to be no limit to this theater of the absurd, which took yet another twist as the Patriots and Seahawks met a mass of reporters at the U.S. Airways Center on Tuesday. The backdrop was a report that the NFL had video of a Patriots locker room attendant carrying a bag of 24 balls into a bathroom, where he stayed for 90 seconds before the AFC Championship Game.

The main event, though, was Pats owner Robert Kraft saying his players viewed DeflateGate as “a bunch of hogwash” and striking back at Richard Sherman, two days after Seattle’s mouthy cornerback ripped NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for being too close to Kraft.

“I think Richard Sherman is a very smart marketing whiz,” Kraft deadpanned...

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: bizarre; deflategate; lockerroom; mediaday; patriots; richardsherman; robertkraft; seahawks; seattle; superbowl; video
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To: johniegrad
And. BTW.... When it's the DALLAS COWBOYS... Or the FAG FRANCISCO 49ers.... Or the PITTSBURGH STEALERS... OR THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS (except when playing MY team).... Or the GREEN BAY PACKERS... Or the DEMBER BRONCOES.... Or any of the OTHER teams that are NOT the Cleveland Browns, Carolina Panthers, Jacks, much less compete for one. No, no, otheres were inevitably better than us...

This became a template for my life....

And you... and the other Dallas/Other Hot Humaid "supposed to be" champion people... are completely tonedeaf...

You are hopeless... And yes, you will laugh at me... go aheadonville Jaguars, or any of the other teams that are NOT SUPPOSED TO WIN... I won't be watching either....

But whenever my Seahawks have a chance to beat the living SNOT out of the teams who are "supposed" to win... I'll be there, watching...

61 posted on 01/28/2015 7:47:02 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Colofornian

He’s a flake


62 posted on 01/28/2015 8:16:21 PM PST by navysealdad (http://drdavehouseoffun.com/)
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To: Colofornian
Bill Nye,the global warming science, um, er believing guy?

Trustworthy source.

I understand he also explained why the Colts came back and caused all those fumbles in the second half, stopped Brady from completing any passes in the second half, and came a hair away from beating those cheating deflators after the balls were brought to regulation psi....

That Colt comeback once the balls were corrected was amazing........

63 posted on 01/28/2015 8:26:16 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Lexinom

(damned touchpad)


64 posted on 01/28/2015 8:35:01 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Da Coyote
Only makes my NFL suggested motto more appropriate: “Our felons are better athletes than your felons.”

While this has been true for a long time, lately it's sounding more like pro wrestling. Who is scripted to win Footballmania...er...er...the Battle Royal...er...er...the Super Bowl this year?

65 posted on 01/28/2015 8:49:18 PM PST by stevem
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To: Lakeshark

I hope the Colts get there next year, whether against my ‘Hawks or any other NFC team. They deserve it... They’ve paid their dues...


66 posted on 01/28/2015 8:55:43 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: Lexinom

They’ve got a great quarterback, he has all the markings of another Manning or Brady. Perhaps a few more of the right players and they’ll get there.


67 posted on 01/28/2015 8:59:13 PM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Lexinom

What was I supposed to learn from last year? (Remember, I don’t really have time to watch football, so I don’t know as much about it as I should.)


68 posted on 01/29/2015 6:51:17 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: Colofornian

Your example is not analogous. My point is that people should keep their mouth shut, lest they end up looking like fools. (*Ahem*)

In this particular case, it is an extremely bad idea to imply that the Patriots only win by cheating. Why? Because you are about to face them in a contest. If the scrutiny is high, and the contest is therefore clean, and they still trounce you, that is embarrassing. Why? Because a team you claim has only won to that point by cheating still beat you. That is, they didn’t even NEED to cheat to whoop your arse. That’s how bad you are.

See? (Probably not - that was rhetorical.)

Your analogy is not relevant because primary contests are not the same as the open election. It’s more like an intra-team scrimmage to determine who will play against the real opponent.

Regardless, it is still foolish to say much about their party’s internal primary before the election if OUR candidate can’t beat them in the open election. Let the democrats sqwauk about their own primary/scrimmage.

If you are aware of the potential to cheat, and no one else is, then “yes” make some noise to help prevent the cheating. But if the noise is being made FOR YOU, and you KNOW that the scrutiny will be high, then it is best to stay above the fray.

That is the case with the Seahawks. The noise is being made FOR them. They have mostly stayed quiet, but this article indicates the coach is making some missteps. He should stay quiet before the game lest he ending up looking the fool.


69 posted on 01/29/2015 7:03:15 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: headstamp 2

I think that was Lynch.


70 posted on 01/31/2015 6:22:40 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: luvbach1

Hopefully he was self-regulating, and chose to deflate his bladder on his own. I’m sure it would have taken longer to do what you suggested. “Jimmy! Get out of the shower!”


71 posted on 01/31/2015 6:25:57 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Colofornian

“Bill Nye the Science Guy is here to let you know that temperature change wasn’t responsible for any change in the inflation of a football during the AFC title game.”


And that’s mind-blowingly stupid. It implies he has no idea - at all - of what he’s talking about...but you’ve already had that unequivocably explained to you and you are just trolling.

It is amusing though that he pronounces the ball the same without measuring it after he completes his CO2/climate change rant (which he is also wrong about).

The balls lost pressure, and he can’t tell.

The temperature drop he describes would by itself bring any football startiing at 12.5 PSI to just under 11.0 PSI. Getting the weather wet for an hour or two has been experimentally shown to allow for a stretching of a new football that would drop the PSI further. There are hundreds of such posted as videos on the Internet for your review using a variety of methods...but again, you’re just trolling.

And the funniest thing about Bill Nye’s video that you linked to, is that he disbelieves the patriots claims not because he failed to measure the pressure drop, but because he can’t feel the difference in a 1.5 PSI drop.


72 posted on 01/31/2015 6:53:04 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Lakeshark

Amusingly enough, all Bill Nye really explains in the linked video that he can’t tell the difference when dry footballs deflate 1.5 PSI


73 posted on 01/31/2015 6:58:47 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lepton; All
Bill Nye the science guy

Well, hey, statistics is a "science," too:

Deflate-gate triggers stat spat as analysts attempt to solve why Patriots don't fumble

Excerpt:

Maybe the smoking gun isn’t in a bathroom at Gillette Stadium. Maybe it’s in the laptop of a civil engineer in Washington, D.C. One of the strangest twists in the already strange saga of deflate-gate is the sudden star turn of a man who runs a gambling website when he’s not doing his day job. Warren Sharp is a 36-year-old dad who loves numbers and algorithms, and decided to apply some statistics to the Patriots when he heard about the football deflation investigation. What he found sent ripples through the sports world and got a few other statisticians pretty upset. It also may have implications beyond Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Sharp’s idea was to look at fumbles. That led him to a more refined topic: how well the Patriots held onto the ball both before and after the 2006 season, which happened to be the year Brady and Peyton Manning pushed for a rule change which allowed each team to provide their own footballs for games. “Something significant changed from 2006 to 2007 that allowed them to retain the football,” Sharp said by phone Tuesday, “and that continues today>”

According to Sharp’s calculations, the Patriots’ fumble rate was 42 touches per fumble from 2000 through 2006. That was about the league average. Since 2007, however, that rate has dropped dramatically, to 74 touches per fumble. Over that time, the Pats are the best team in the NFL at holding onto the ball, even including dome teams.

“Based upon the data we’ve collected and the probabilities, it definitely is extremely unlikely that their ability to hold onto the football would change so much and be as far away from the rest of the NFL,” Sharp said. “It’s extremely unlikely.”

So...2007 season is FIRST one teams supply own footballs, as lobbied for by Tom Brady.

Suddenly, their fumble rate which has been common to the rest of the league becomes...how shall I say it? Oh, deflated...

The Patriots' fumble rate improves almost 80%...
...And its kept there...
...Year in, year out...
...Doesn't matter which running backs and receivers they bring in...
...fumble rate doesn't roller-coaster...
...stays smooth as the Dead Sea on a windless day...

So...more "scientific research" needed...

Like...will the Patriots fumble more in SuperBowl now that they don't control the psi?

Since BOTH teams use the same pool of 8 footballs for punts, was the Patriot punt return and kickoff return levels 2007-2014 at around the same rate as the rest of the league? (Giving us another "happenstance hint"). Or, if the Pats were indeed so "talented" at holding onto the ball 2007-2014, that, of course, carried over to the special teams, right?

And if the NFL develops more oversight of footballs pre-game in 2015 season, will the Patriots return to 2006 fumble rates?

Of course, to Pats' fans, if that happens, that'll all just be a fluke, right...

A fluke of nature...

74 posted on 01/31/2015 7:16:57 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: lepton; All
Btw, since a lower psi benefits not only RB not fumbling as much, but receivers catching the ball -- and in fact, a lower psi REALLY benefits the receivers and not so much the QB...my hunch was that the completion % of Brady would have been impacted significantly moving from the 2006 to 2007 season.

And, of course, I looked...and I was right:

Brady's completion % went from 61.8% in 2006 to a career-high 68.9% ... an 11.5% improvement in a single season!
Tom Brady: Career Stats

In fact thru 2006, Brady was consistently at 60%...61%..62%...63%

Then he gets his own footballs...

07: 68.9%
08: Injured
09: 65.7%
10: 65.9%
11: 65.6%
(he was back down in 12 & 13...getting older, ya know)
But in '14 was higher than any single season 2001-2006

75 posted on 01/31/2015 7:36:14 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: lepton

Except not to the Colts balls.


76 posted on 01/31/2015 7:54:55 AM PST by ez (RIP America 1776-2014. Long live the oligarchy.)
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To: jocon307

Actually, he was playing with Brady’s balls in the men’s room ... soon to become part of the job description for the Patriots’ ball-boy.


77 posted on 01/31/2015 7:58:13 AM PST by glennaro
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To: Colofornian

Doesn’t the home team control the footballs between when the refs make them available 5 minutes before kickoff until the reach the field? If so, and analysis of home vs away percentages wrt fumbles, drops, and completion percentage might be illuminating.


78 posted on 01/31/2015 7:58:39 AM PST by ez (RIP America 1776-2014. Long live the oligarchy.)
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To: Colofornian

And you’ve been shown that is junk too. ...and don’t care because you are trolling.

But for those that haven’t, here’s a summary of jus some of the low-points:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/your-guide-to-deflate-gateballghazi-related-statistical-analyses/


79 posted on 01/31/2015 8:23:06 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Colofornian

He had relatively poor receivers until 2007. Moss and Welker, picked up in 2007, were all-time greats.

Both statistics and Ideal Gas Laws done correctly are illuminating. Done wrong as with the cherry picked “experts” you keep choosing, both are dumbassery.

Even Bill Nye admits he can’t tell the difference in 1.5 PSI... even if he is too dense to realize that is what he demonstrated.


80 posted on 01/31/2015 8:31:05 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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