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FBI Seeks To Legally Hack You If You're Connected To TOR Or a VPN
Slashdot.org ^ | 1/20/15

Posted on 01/25/2015 11:15:40 PM PST by LibWhacker

The investigative arm of the Department of Justice is attempting to short-circuit the legal checks of the Fourth Amendment by requesting a change in the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. These procedural rules dictate how law enforcement agencies must conduct criminal prosecutions, from investigation to trial. Any deviations from the rules can have serious consequences, including dismissal of a case. The specific rule the FBI is targeting outlines the terms for obtaining a search warrant. It's called Federal Rule 41(b), and the requested change would allow law enforcement to obtain a warrant to search electronic data without providing any specific details as long as the target computer location has been hidden through a technical tool like Tor or a virtual private network. It would also allow nonspecific search warrants where computers have been intentionally damaged (such as through botnets, but also through common malware and viruses) and are in five or more separate federal judicial districts. Furthermore, the provision would allow investigators to seize electronically stored information regardless of whether that information is stored inside or outside the court's jurisdiction.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: computers; computing; corporations; fbi; hack; hacking; internet; precrime; searchwarrant; tor; vpn
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Justifiable, imo, if a person is a suspect in terrorism or some criminal endeavor. But... WTH is happening to this country?
1 posted on 01/25/2015 11:15:41 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: null and void

Ping!


2 posted on 01/25/2015 11:26:28 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Ragnarok" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L5nD7-qsEw)
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To: LibWhacker

They want everyone’s porn collection.


4 posted on 01/25/2015 11:36:39 PM PST by Cololeo
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To: LibWhacker
The question is will you be considered a suspect of terrorist or criminal acts
because you use TOR or VPN or PGP encryption or a flash drive based OS?
5 posted on 01/25/2015 11:37:53 PM PST by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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Certainly seems like it, doesn’t it? Next step, I suppose, is that they’ll have to water board you to find out which word in your VPN missive was a secret signal to your terrorist cell to attack, real evidence be damned.


6 posted on 01/25/2015 11:45:09 PM PST by LibWhacker ("Every Muslim act of terror is follow by a political act of cover-up." -Daniel Greenfield)
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To: TigersEye
Nah, everybody is a non-trustworthy terrorist.
7 posted on 01/25/2015 11:59:58 PM PST by glorgau
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To: F15Eagle

Yep...the real criminals now are American citizens.


8 posted on 01/26/2015 12:04:14 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: LibWhacker

Bump for later reading.


9 posted on 01/26/2015 12:08:34 AM PST by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
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To: LibWhacker

Then undoubtedly a legitimate judge would issue a valid search warrant.


10 posted on 01/26/2015 12:11:48 AM PST by oblomov (White privilege: the contemporary left's way of saying "the Jews".)
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To: LibWhacker

The FBI sodomizing your computer is better than..
the FBI sodomizing YOU with death squads..

or some other givernment agency with different named lists...
Is Pandora’s Box OPENED?... you know it is..


11 posted on 01/26/2015 12:24:04 AM PST by hosepipe (" This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole.. ")
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Well, gosh, it's not like any businesses or companies use VPN so their employees can have a secure connection back to the company networks.

yep, no way almost EVERY major corporation on the PLANET uses VPN for field user to connect securely back to the corporate network

Idiots.

Time after time.

Idiots.

,

12 posted on 01/26/2015 12:25:36 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: F15Eagle

Everything changed after 9/11. Including how relatively easy it was to get on to a flight, along with fighting some crappy unnecessary wars. Who do we have to thank for this incredible pleasure? Primarily the religion of PEACE! Just think how much better and more peaceful the world would be without it.


13 posted on 01/26/2015 12:29:37 AM PST by saintgermaine (Is she somehow related)
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To: LibWhacker

And as a matter of fact concepts like TOR and VPN should be the norm in mainstream computing and not the exception.

I will for the moment abandon arguing for private web browsing, although that really should be commonplace.

But VPN? (Virtual Private Network) or a similar equivalent should really be THE most common way for us to access our information. What should be happening is that instead of your info being on some cloud service with Apple, Google, or Microsoft... all that private data, pics, docs, habits, personal assistant history and profile should all be held LOCALLY on your own primary home computer. Since a large percentage of us have broadband internet, it’s no big deal to run our own personal cloud.

There should be open standards for this.

We should be able to do 99% of the things that our favorite apps do without compromising our habits or identities AT ALL. Because our surfing should be private if we pay for it, and our personal info should live on our own encrypted private networks run from our own homes.

THAT would be privacy. Does anyone see any real meaninful push for this? No. While you can find bits and pieces of such services and if you are highly computer savvy you can go to all the trouble to have some of this yourself, there are no real turnkey solutions for the average user that provide full personal cloud services between phone, tablet, laptop, desktop, media player.

There are other ways for technology to work for us that can keep our lives private, besides the ways the big data carriers are trying to sell us.

It’s past time for the general public to lean a little about this topic and wake up. Demand something different and better for privacy.


15 posted on 01/26/2015 12:38:08 AM PST by Advil000
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To: LibWhacker

same thing in nazi germany before wwii.


16 posted on 01/26/2015 12:42:27 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: LibWhacker

No.

We have already paid too much for NYC.

F NYC.


17 posted on 01/26/2015 12:49:03 AM PST by NoLibZone (I voted for Mitt. The lesser of 2 evils religious argument put a black nationalist in the W.H.)
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To: LibWhacker

No search warrant, no access. Anything beyond that should be strictly illegal with no allowance for intentions. Any access of non-public material without search warrant violates our Constitutional rights.


18 posted on 01/26/2015 1:13:58 AM PST by Reno89519 (For every illegal or H1B with a job, there's an American without one. Muslim = Nazi = Evil)
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To: LibWhacker

People suggesting that American citizens are terrorists for expressing the same ideas that the Founders did should be summarily shot.
But the revolutionary fire has been bred out of our people.


19 posted on 01/26/2015 1:26:21 AM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: F15Eagle

The biggest, most idiotic overreaction happened. Patriot Act, Iraq, TSA & Obama are the biggest repercussions. Idiocy everywhere in this country, on both sides of the aisle.


20 posted on 01/26/2015 2:50:18 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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