Posted on 01/08/2015 7:43:14 AM PST by Kevin C
In the aftermath of the deadly assault on the offices of Charlie Hebdo, a French satirical newspaper, much of the world has rallied in solidarity with the publication, its irreverent cartoonists and their right to free speech. But not everyone is so supportive. Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, a U.S. organization that "defends the rights of Catholics," issued a statement titled "Muslims are right to be angry." In it, Donohue criticized the publication's history of offending the world's religiously devout, including non-Muslims. The murdered Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier "didn’t understand the role he played in his [own] tragic death," the statement reads. "Had [Charbonnier] not been so narcissistic, he may still be alive," Donohue says, in what must be one of the more offensive and insensitive comments made on this tragic day. "Killing in response to insult, no matter how gross, must be unequivocally condemned. That is why what happened in Paris cannot be tolerated," says Donohue. "But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction." The statement says Charlie Hebdo has "a long and disgusting record of going way beyond the mere lampooning" of religious figures. "They have shown nuns masturbating and popes wearing condoms," Donohue says. "They have also shown Muhammad in pornographic poses." Among the covers is a too-racy-for-WorldViews depiction of the Christian Holy Trinity locked in a three-way homosexual orgy (as part of a critique of French religious leaders' opposition to gay marriage) and a whole array of images mocking pedophilia by priests. Charlie Hebdo doesn't pull its punches. But some critics say it goes too far, specifically with Muslims.
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It is not difficult to design laws that are objective and punish or at least not protect speech that is intellectually worthless and designed to insult. As well as pornography and incitement to violence, these things are not hard to ban under a reasonable law. They are not free speech.
Thank you.
Zionist Conspirator has irritated enough of me with his oddities, and I can say unequivocally: he is a thinking person who offers a coherent opinion about Christianity. That has nothing in common with a cartoon -- not even "speech", really, showing the Holy Trinity as a homosexual orgy, -- for example.
If someone thinks that angering a significant portion of the population without any redeeming intellectual value is in the society's interest, let him defend that "speech" in court. It should not be immune from prosecution on constitutional grounds.
wow. how are you on this forum ? you are for government censoring cartoons.
government is the great evil .that and the media. not words or speech or drawings. to want to give these evil monsters of government or the FCC power over what people can say or draw on paper is ridiculous. i know democrats/liberals trust government but why do you ? you seem to be a statist to me . freedom of speech is in the Constitution . we have to worry about government and not giving them any more power not worrying about what another individual is saying.
Of course he did, or else we wouldn’t have Christianity today. Recently found ancient documents even suggest that Jesus asked Judas to betray him. If Judas loved Jesus and did as he was asked it would make sense that he committed suicide in his grief, not because of guilt for the silver.
And these documents are?...
To claim that the (murdered) cartoonist “provoked” the attack is roughly on the same order as claiming that a victim of rape “provoked” her attacker by dressing too sexy, or by appearing in the wrong place at the wrong time...
Time to lampoon the Catholic League.
Here are links for the Gospel of Judas:
http://www.theologynetwork.org/biblical-studies/getting-stuck-in/the-gospel-of-judas.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas
One fascinating tidbit in the first link is that the God being was described as having 72 associates/angels. Could this be where Islam got the 72 virgins??
Apparently one culture is trying to.
Some people are too stupid to know what worship is and isn’t...ya’ know what I mean, Vern?!
Jesus did say to him at the last supper to do what he had to do, but that was usually meant his bookkeeping, and knowing someone is going to do something and PERMITTING that to be done, does not mean you are “instigating” as is commonly understood. Provoking? Teasing? I think not. The prophecies of what was going to happen, and had to happen, were going to be fulfilled.
Jesus was a servant, not a commander, at that time. The Holy Spirit restrains evil. Judas was released to do his evil at Passover. Jesus would never, never instigate someone to commit a betrayal that He would have to suffer the consequences of, especially if that punishment was the whole wrath of His Father in hell. Jesus’ passion included keeping people from facing Himself on the throne of judgment. He teaches us over and over how to get INTO the kingdom of heaven, and could not provoke someone to sin. Provoking someone into sin is agreement and compliance that sin, just as NOT rebuking is compliance.
I use caps because italics is unavailable. Not yelling - just emphasizing.
This:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/dgreenfield/laughing-at-mohammed/
Especially this:
“Laughter is the weapon of the weak against the strong.”
This is why no islamic on the earth or under the earth (there aren’t any moslems in Heaven) has no right to anger over having its damned, ugly, satanic religion and its false prophet mocked.
Bill Donohue did not condone the killing of the satirists at Charlie Hebdo. He blamed the terrorists who did the slaughter.
OTOH (I heard him on Neil Cavuto’s show on Wednesday), he did manage to muddle the story by bringing in the anti-religious antics of the leftist media which does provoke a lot of people. Bill was referring to “bad behavior” such as when leftists scandalously deface religious objects, i.e. when they show pictures of the ‘piss Christ’ picture and the Madonna with elephant dung on her - which Christians hold dear to their hearts. Leftists applaud such behavior and Donohue says this type of behavior is an abuse of the First Amendment.
Donohue said that the newspaper victims on Wednesday were NOT to blame for their own deaths, but that they may have goaded terrorists into this act.
I agree with Bill, but the two subjects are only tangentally related to each other.
Everything in your splendid rant (no sarcasm here) may be true and right, but it's not edifying to anyone. As St. Paul noted --- "I have the right" you say—--but not everything is beneficial. "I have the right" --—but not everything is constructive.
I would rather be actually helpful to such as Sabri, the Kurdish rescuers, el-Sisi, and Hendi, than tell them they're all worse than cockroaches.
“The statement says Charlie Hebdo has “a long and disgusting record of going way beyond the mere lampooning” of religious figures. “They have shown nuns masturbating and popes wearing condoms,” Donohue says. “They have also shown Muhammad in pornographic poses.” Among the covers is a too-racy-for-WorldViews depiction of the Christian Holy Trinity locked in a three-way homosexual orgy (as part of a critique of French religious leaders’ opposition to gay marriage) and a whole array of images mocking pedophilia by priests. Charlie Hebdo doesn’t pull its punches. But some critics say it goes too far, specifically with Muslims.
- Bill Donohue -
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Sorry - nothing justifies the private ‘solution’ of self-appointed thugs murdering these people. - you
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So, it seems that you agree with Donohue as he also said that killing of journalists/satirists is never justified.
I am disappointed by many of the posters on this thread. I have always believed Freepers were more intelligent than this.
Why are so many of you responding with limited understanding what Donohue said? If you actually read what he said, you would likely agree with him. I think many of you took your cue from the headline - which is just great for leftists, isn’t it? That is how they control our emotions.
Freepers - get yourself more educated and read stories fully before you decide to condemn a person for what the WP infers what Donohue said. Donohue is a Conservative - and this was a perfect example of how the leftist media distorts facts and stories, making a conservative look foolish. READ THE ENTIRE STORY BEFORE YOUR POST!
It may be most accurate to state that Bill Donohue speaks for his contributors.
I am fine, thank you. Practicing punctuation and capitalization daily.
you seem to be a statist to me
I agree that government is evil. Especially the government that imports Muslims in their country so that the French can have two month vacations and 30 hour work weeks, and wine lunches.
This being said, freedom of speech is a good thing when reasonable people speak. When some commie halfwits make fun of everyone they disagree with, -- religion and capitalism, and make no substantive arguments, only insults -- then that is not speech. That is public indecency. How they are going to do it: by making laws or by tort cases for damages, -- is not my business. But the idea that any drawing or uttering is immediately protected speech is ridiculous, and it just turned deadly.
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