Posted on 01/08/2015 7:43:14 AM PST by Kevin C
In the aftermath of the deadly assault on the offices of Charlie Hebdo, a French satirical newspaper, much of the world has rallied in solidarity with the publication, its irreverent cartoonists and their right to free speech. But not everyone is so supportive. Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, a U.S. organization that "defends the rights of Catholics," issued a statement titled "Muslims are right to be angry." In it, Donohue criticized the publication's history of offending the world's religiously devout, including non-Muslims. The murdered Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier "didn’t understand the role he played in his [own] tragic death," the statement reads. "Had [Charbonnier] not been so narcissistic, he may still be alive," Donohue says, in what must be one of the more offensive and insensitive comments made on this tragic day. "Killing in response to insult, no matter how gross, must be unequivocally condemned. That is why what happened in Paris cannot be tolerated," says Donohue. "But neither should we tolerate the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction." The statement says Charlie Hebdo has "a long and disgusting record of going way beyond the mere lampooning" of religious figures. "They have shown nuns masturbating and popes wearing condoms," Donohue says. "They have also shown Muhammad in pornographic poses." Among the covers is a too-racy-for-WorldViews depiction of the Christian Holy Trinity locked in a three-way homosexual orgy (as part of a critique of French religious leaders' opposition to gay marriage) and a whole array of images mocking pedophilia by priests. Charlie Hebdo doesn't pull its punches. But some critics say it goes too far, specifically with Muslims.
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They are like abused woman who want the beatings and hardship stopped but once they leave it only to return...because no matter how burdensome it's “familiar” and “Known”.. and there's comfort in the familiar even if it hurts.
Additionally because of the abusive culture many have psychological and serious problems with freedom...they do not know what it means nor how to conduct themselves with it. Which is why rather than assimilate into their host countries...they build Mosques and Community centers...then eventually their own communities, such as in France and Britain...where they have already established Shariah Law.
It's loosing proposition because they will not change...nor IMO can they..they are wired from childbirth throughout life to live without having to utilize critical thinking skills...so they have none. There are prescious few who escape the Islamic cycle of obediance and adherance to Islam...and even once they convert to Christianity they incoprorate Islam teachings with it.
Donohue is the Rand Paul of Catholic organizations.
Yes.
Next question?
LOL. you’re funny.
Would he say the same if Christians went out and did likewise when 'Piss Christ' was put on display and hailed as art and freedom of expression?
The 1.6 billion Muslims in this world across the six inhabited continents and across many countries and cultures. They have a great many different styles, elements, commitments, temperaments, customs and convictions concerning their faith. I have no doubt that Islam as a system conforms to St. John's description of the antichrist --- and St. John said there were, and would be, many antichrists. But that does not mean that most Muslims have forfeited their human dignity or their entire claim on human fellow-feeling because of these Muslim homicidalists who are a terror, day in and day out, to other Muslims.
God bless Mo Sabri.
God bless the Muslim Kurds, who took up arms to defend the Yazhidis and the Coptic and Assyrian Christians, when the U.S. and the Iraqi governments would not!
God bless Abdel Fattah el-Sisi who, as Jonah Goldberg notes, is being ignored in the West while making the epochal speech to the most eminent religious scholars of the Middle East,calling for a radical rejection of jihadist ideology.
God bless the Muslim chaplain at Georgetown, Imam Yahya Hendi, who defended the Cross at Georgetown when the damn Jesuits wanted to remove them from the classrooms!
We are tempted to say they are not human. This would be very, very wrong. It's late. Good night now, and God bless you, sitetest.
I know you weren’t saying that, and am sorry if it sounded like I was calling you delusional. I assure you I’m not. I guess my point is that the world has to decide whether or not we can be free and safe if we tolerate having a hornets nest with violent aggressive hornets in our midst.
I believe that being incorporated into Christ is the only true faith that leads to salvation.
What does that make me?
Canary in a coal mine....
...What does that make me?”....
That would depend on ‘who’ you incorporate yourself with.
[you:] Yes. Next question?
The next question is who is going to write and enforce those blasphemy laws. Because, based on your other FR posts, many FReepers would consider, say, your views of Jesus of Nazareth to be blasphemous.
I am opposed to blasphemy laws not because I think nothing is blasphemous, but because I trust no government to draw those lines fairly.
But Jews, Catholics, Christians, Israelis and the French Right didn't react violently. So the blame--all of it--goes on the Muslim Terrorists, not the victims.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Is that like the short skirt that provokes the rapist?
“The substantial majority of people killed by the jihadists are Muslims who did not support them. Gee, how did that happen?”
Tolkien reminds us that orcs will turn on each other if there aren't other victims to be had. That doesn't mean that we should indulge in empathy for the poor orc victims. It does suggest that to the degree possible, when we see the moslems killing each other, we should stay out of the way.
“They have a great many different styles, elements, commitments,...”
blah blah blah
And the overwhelming number of these (99% of Afghans, to cite one country), as demonstrated in a post just a few up from your post, desire that we should all live under sharia, which mandates death to infidels, oppression to Jews and Christians (at least until we're given the option to convert or die), rape of women, looting, pillaging, plundering, and enslavement of captives.
That vast majority of islamics shares the blood guilt of those actually performing the crimes that cry out to Heaven for vengeance.
Regarding the exceptions that you cite, I've already acknowledged that it's a bitch for that mainstream, moderate 5% whose reputations are sullied by the extremist, far-out, radical fringe 95%.
Nonetheless, even these innocent moslems have no right to be angry when the oppressed peoples of the world condemn and vituperate islam, insult it, profane it. Islam, being an objectively evil system, deserves every bit of what it gets.
As I've stated before, if adherents of islam were generally a bit more... “polite” about their disagreements with us, it would do well to show a little courtesy when offering our critique. But nearly all mohammedans heartily approve of the murder, rape, pillage, plunder, and enslaving done in their name, and thus, have no right to be angry when their fake prophet and the other aspects of their false religion are mocked and insulted.
As a group, they have it coming.
“We are tempted to say they are not human.”
What's this “we” business, kemosabe? I've never said their not human. No, in fact, that is the horror of it! They ARE human. They have the moral agency that comes with being human, and this is overwhelmingly how they choose to exercise their human moral agency! If they were merely dumb animals, they would be guiltless. They'd be merely cockcroaches. Step on ‘em, but have some pity while you squash their guts.
But they're NOT just cockroaches! They're human beings who can choose good or evil, and they choose satanic worship by their deeds and the support for the deeds of their fellow moslems! They are WORSE than cockroaches. They are moral horrors, atrocities of evil, precisely because they are human and use their free will to regularly commit crimes that cry out to Heaven for vengeance, including and especially willful mass and serial mass murder!
sitetest
Yes, when they contain nothing but insults, the government might find it wise to censor them, or a judge might enjoin damages, or whatever -- it is not free speech in any reasonable use of the term.
As a Catholic I may insult people; but I also offer serious opinions that free society should value. The insulting cartoons do not have a redeeming value.
That would be forward, not back. Yes we should.
A technicality: under American constitution specifically "blasphemy" might be a problem because of the so-called Establishment Clause. Moreover, I find it awkward to consider insults of Mohammed blasphemous, -- he is no God. I would propose instead a broader system that removes free speech protection for speech merely designed to insult, demean, or encourage masturbation or violence.
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