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At last: Ted Cruz wins a 2016 presidential straw poll - Rand Paul in second place
The Washington Times ^ | December 29, 2014 | Jennifer Harper

Posted on 12/29/2014 6:26:57 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Finny

Romney said he would issue an executive order on 1st day in office to stop Obamacare. My healthcare premiums jumped 33% because of compliance with Obamacare.

Romney would not have allowed mass invasion of illegals.

Romney would not have sent aid to Muslim Brotherhood.
There would be no Arab spring without Obama.

Other than, I did’ntcare for Romney. My first preference in 2012 was Cain. His 999 plan would have kick started the economy. I do not need a job, but all the college garduates coming out do, and 50% of kids under 25 have moved in with parents.


81 posted on 12/30/2014 8:42:32 PM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

GQ magazine has placed Ted Cruz on their list of wacko politicians. Here is an excerpt:

“JUST HOW CRAZY IS TED CRUZ?

Leans so far right that even fellow Republican John McCain classified him as a “wacko bird”


82 posted on 12/30/2014 8:46:22 PM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: alstewartfan

Was Buraq Hussein Obama also a natural born citizen because his mother was a US citizen?


83 posted on 12/30/2014 8:47:46 PM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: entropy12

Exactly. They can’t make “stupid” stick so they’re running with “crazy.” We have about a year to turn that around. We need to turn that perception of “crazy” into “crazy brilliant” or “crazy like a fox!”


84 posted on 12/30/2014 10:07:14 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

Crazy Brilliant Ted Cruz works for me!


85 posted on 12/30/2014 10:52:16 PM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: entropy12

You attribute actions to Romney that his record belies.


86 posted on 12/30/2014 11:29:38 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: sten
the USSC has had opinions in which they stated a NBC requires two US citizen parents and being born on the soil. i posted a link that referenced the cases.

as for why the current USSC hasn’t dealt with the issue is that the cases ALL get dismissed before being heard. why? because they would require 0bama to submit his BC as evidence... an act that would result in him committing federal forgery.


I've kept a close watch on the discussions on this issue and have as yet to find anything that was truly a definitive ruling by the USSC that being NBC requires to US Citizen parents at birth. In fact, everything I've seen has been more wishful thinking (than anything else) by the poster hoping to be able to use it against Obama.
87 posted on 12/31/2014 3:52:31 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: entropy12; Finny
Romney said he would issue an executive order on 1st day in office to stop Obamacare. My healthcare premiums jumped 33% because of compliance with Obamacare.

And Romney and his Team also said that he wanted to implement RomneyCare in all 50 states that would have also had an Individual Mandate and would have required coverage of those that could not "Afford" healthcare by those paying taxes and would have penalized those who did not have insurance.

Just another form of Socialized Medicine. No Thanks!

Romney would not have allowed mass invasion of illegals.

And yet Romney came out after having lost to Obama with a piss-poor performance and stated he was all for Comprehensive Immigration Reform.

Romney said the GOP is better prepared to deal with immigration this time around. "You are going to see a provision first of all, to secure the border, second of all, to deal with those who have come here illegally and third to make sure that our immigration policies are more open and transparent to the many people who do want to come here legally," Romney said.

AND

"I don’t think those who come here illegally should jump to the front of the line, or be given a special deal -- be rewarded for coming here illegally -- but they should have a chance, just like anybody else, to get in line and become a citizen if they’d like to do so,"

Romney stated he had always been Pro-Life at CPAC in January of 2012 in the midst of the Primaries, and yet on August 27th, 2012, after having wrapped up the nomination he stated the following:

(CBS News) In an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, Mitt Romney said his views on abortion rights are more lenient than those put forward in the Republican party platform.

"My position has been clear throughout this campaign," Romney said. "I'm in favor of abortion being legal in the case of rape and incest, and the health and life of the mother."


Romney is a Liar, and always has been a Liar, a FACT that has been exposed early and often on FreeRepublic so I know you know it is true being the avid poster you are on FreeRepublic threads.
88 posted on 12/31/2014 4:11:02 AM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: entropy12

In my opinion, yes. However, I believe that he came here as a foreign exchange student, so that choice could be said to disqualify him from his present dictatorship. Bob


89 posted on 12/31/2014 6:51:40 AM PST by alstewartfan (But Robin Hood movies Provoke strange emotions That time will not serve to diminish. Al Stewart)
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To: Finny

I am not implying Romney was a good choice in 2012. However based on what Obama has done for 6 years, even a dog catcher would have been far better for the future of this country.


90 posted on 12/31/2014 8:31:54 AM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Only thing I can state in defense of Romney is that Obama is far far worse based on his record so far. I am petrified thinking what Obama will do for next 2 years with no elections to worry about. My choices in 2012 (in order) were Cain, Newt, Perry with Romney at the bottom of my list.


91 posted on 12/31/2014 8:34:18 AM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: entropy12
Romney was a BAD choice in 2012, and he would have been BAD for America -- worse than Obama because good, patriotic Americans rejected Obama and can fight what they rejected. Romney would have been in office, wielding all his bad stuff and amoral tyranny, and folks who knew he was bad, would be responsible because they voted FOR him on the flawed, faulty rationale that he would be "better" than Obama! WRONG, entropy -- he was equally BAD as Obama in terms of damage wrought.

entropy, It is better to fight tyranny you rejected than tyranny you elected.

92 posted on 12/31/2014 10:28:33 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

I generally agree. Both finalists in 2012 were bad. Obama was just the worse of the two.

The problem in 2012 was lack of unity among conservatives.
If either Newt or Santorum had dropped out after SC primary,
Romney’s chances at nomination would be severely diminished.

In 2016 we will face the same problem. Jeb will be the lone Rino after SC primary, and 2 or more conservatives will duke it out to the bitter end, just like 2012, clearing the path for Jeb.


93 posted on 12/31/2014 11:00:29 AM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: SoConPubbie

if your ‘close watch’ consisted of the progressive left cabal of propaganda sources, then i’d understand. otherwise, the information has been out there for a VERY long time.

ie:
“Supreme Court precedent: The courts have applied the partus sequitur patrem principle (citizenship by descent from one’s father) to determine who is, or who is not, a federal (U.S.) citizen at birth; but the meaning of natural born citizen appears to be a separate issue [21]. To this day, the Supreme Court, in its majority opinions, has consistently used the term “natural born citizen” only in reference to persons born on U.S. soil, to parents who are both U.S. citizens. “

“To this day, whenever an Opinion of the Supreme Court has referred to an individual as a “natural born citizen”, the individual was always born in the United States, of U.S.-citizen parents. The Supreme Court has never, in any of its majority opinions, used the term “natural born citizen” in reference to someone whose parents were not both U.S. citizens. “

http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm


94 posted on 12/31/2014 11:08:37 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: entropy12; Jim Robinson; All
Before I forget -- Happy New Year's Eve, FRiend!

Obama was just the worse of the two.

Yes, that is where you and I differ, I think. I perceive Romney as the worse of the two because if I'd have voted for him and he'd won, I'd have been responsible and accountable for endorsing the tyranny he'd promote under a Republican administration. Voting for leftism in the Republican party makes leftists stronger in both parties. I have finally figured that out.

So from my point of view, the liberal "Republican" will always be the "worse" evil than the Democrat, worse because it manipulates good people to endorse what they rightly abhor. That is very bad. No Democrat could ever get conservative Republicans to intentionally vote for the things they'll vote for in a Card Carrying Republican order to vote "against" the "worse" Democrat.

I did my due diligence on Romney. Voting for him was, quite simply, voting for the Republican party to subscribe to the entire Democrat agenda. SNUB THAT!

95 posted on 12/31/2014 11:36:07 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

Do you see conservatives presenting a united front in 2016 behind ONE candidate, or will it be divide the voters and clear the path for Jeb?


96 posted on 12/31/2014 11:59:07 AM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: entropy12
I think odds are enormous that the Republican party protocol will duly nominate a standard issue functional Democrat "Republican," in flawed and skewed primaries. My own vote endorsement in the Republican presidential primary is a mere formality; the choice has long been made before I can vote in California.

I think Americans, who are mostly apolitical, are clamoring and ripe for a charismatic third-party limited government candidate. I pray for such a figure to rise, and I hope it's Cruz or Palin. I distinguish the difference between what the MSM thinks of politicians, and what Americans on the ground think of politicians.

I think the Republican party brand is so trashed and tattered and such a joke that avoiding it via an "independent" moniker is probably a good opportunity, a blessing. People who would never vote for a Republican any more than I would ever vote for a Democrat, would be willing to vote for a limited government (that is, a conservative) trailblazer of another name. In the Republican party in Congress, left-leaning Republicans would be DENIED the powerful ally of left-leaning Republican White House administration. Everybody wins when left-leaning politicians are starved of votes.

I don't know whether it will be Jeb, Romney, Christie, or someone else not yet on the radar. I DO expect that protocol will nominate a functional-Democrat Republican. And my vote will go third party if that happens. If Republicans miraculously nominate Cruz or other limited government Christian conservative, I will happily vote Republican.

97 posted on 12/31/2014 12:16:37 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

I will lay odds, that GOPe will support only ONE of Jeb, Christy or Mitt. They do not split their resources.

On the other hand conservatives have too much ego to drop out and unite behind just ONE candidate.

If it is Cruz versus Jeb only after SC primary, my money is on Cruz winning.

If it is Jeb, Cruz, Perry, Pence, Rand, Jindal in the race, Jeb will win by dividing conservative votes.


98 posted on 12/31/2014 12:43:19 PM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: sten
From that very same article you linked to:

But what about other categories of persons? What about children born overseas to American parents? And what about children born in the United States, of an alien parent? Today, such children are U.S. citizens. But are they natural born citizens? So far, Federal law, the Constitution and the courts have not settled these questions.

... the definition of what it means to be a natural-born citizen has never been decided in the courts and the Constitution doesn't explain exactly what it means by "natural born," according to Peter Spiro, a Temple University law professor and citizenship-law expert. (National Journal, Is Canadian-Born Ted Cruz Eligible to Run for President?, May 1, 2013)

In 2004, Senator Don Nickles predicted that, if the meaning of natural born citizenship remains unresolved, it will someday become "a real issue":

The definition of this term ["natural born citizen"] is an issue that has been debated in legal circles for years and has never been ruled on by the courts. Clarification is needed before this becomes a real issue. (Nickles)
Even the article you used to buttress your position states the ambiguity of your position when it comes to constitutionality.

If you had something(Actual Supreme Court Ruling) besides your opinion or someone else's opinion, you would have posted it.

You don't, because it does not exist.

Just more smoke and mirrors of what you want it to be, but what it is not.
99 posted on 12/31/2014 8:55:26 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

you’re set on this ‘smoke & mirrors’ concept

simply put, the USSC *never even suggested* a ‘natural born citizen’ is anything other then someone from 2 US citizen parents born on the soil.


100 posted on 01/01/2015 2:33:28 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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