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2 NYPD officers promoted posthumously; Ramos also made honorary chaplain
CNN ^ | December 27, 2014 | Michael Martinez, Kevin Conlon and Miguel Marquez

Posted on 12/27/2014 10:47:52 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

(VIDEO-AT-LINK)

A sea of blue flooded the streets around a Queens church Saturday morning -- thousands of police waiting to pay respects for one of two New York officers who lost their lives in the line of duty last weekend.

More than 25,000 police officers attended Christ Tabernacle church in the Glendale neighborhood for the funeral of Rafael Ramos, the New York City police officer murdered one week ago.

Vice President Joe Biden, Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Police Commissioner Bill Bratton and Mayor Bill de Blasio are among those in attendance.

During the service, Bratton announced he was appointing Ramos to an honorary NYPD chaplain. Also, he posthumously promoted Ramos and his slain partner, Officer Wenjian Liu, to detectives first grade....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: catholics; nypd
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To: kearnyirish2
See # 16; they argue the dangers are the reason for the high pay. I sympathize with the families; there are provisions for this already.

Yes, and one of the provisions appears to be awarding promotions posthumously when a policeman dies in the line of service.

21 posted on 12/27/2014 11:55:46 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: kearnyirish2
If I was a employer and if my employee was assassinated for doing their job, I would certainly consider a promotion and all the benefits it might bring, posthumously.

That is absurd, and done at the expense of taxpayers.

The example I gave was one of being a private employer.

Your response is absurd.

22 posted on 12/27/2014 11:58:41 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

If you want to give away your money, please do, but when the government unionizes against us, and steals our money, and is looting our cities, that is an entirely different story.

This is a stupid practice of making cops a different rank if they die on duty, it is just silly, but if they are doing it to increase the already overly generous benefits, then taxpayers should put a stop to that practice immediately.


23 posted on 12/27/2014 11:59:02 AM PST by ansel12 (They hate us, because they ain't us.)
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To: FreeReign

In the interests of full disclosure, are you being paid by taxpayers?


24 posted on 12/27/2014 12:00:16 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: FreeReign

So do US troopers killed in the field and rarely, if ever, are there posthumous promotions to increase their benefits.

Stop trying to smash down any opposition to this vile practice of screwing over the taxpayers through emoting about a “higher price”.


25 posted on 12/27/2014 12:05:02 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: kearnyirish2
In the interests of full disclosure, are you being paid by taxpayers?

Your question is absurd. I work for a private copy. Nothing that I said deserves that question.

In the interest of full disclosure, are you a criminal?

26 posted on 12/27/2014 12:05:05 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

No; I’m a taxpayer (with family in law enforcement).

The question was logical.


27 posted on 12/27/2014 12:09:18 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: FreeReign

And there is a collection for their families in the millions. This is wrong. Cops already get so many benefits, they don’t need another paid for by the taxpayers that aren’t earned


28 posted on 12/27/2014 12:09:28 PM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: kearnyirish2
I pay for cops, and I won’t get a posthumous raise to increase the death benefit to my family if I die at my desk.

If you ever get on S.S., when you die and have already received the check for the month you die, survivor has to pay it back to S.S.

29 posted on 12/27/2014 12:10:02 PM PST by Graybeard58 (1Timothy, 5: For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus)
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To: SZonian
So do US troopers killed in the field and rarely, if ever, are there posthumous promotions to increase their benefits.

Military promotions ARE done posthumously.

Stop trying to smash down any opposition to this vile practice of screwing over the taxpayers through emoting about a “higher price”.

Yeah God forbid I should mention the officers and the "higher price" they paid.

Unbelievable.

30 posted on 12/27/2014 12:11:20 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

I agree with poster. You can have a set policy that says if this happen x happens. But to do it adhoc is basically making the politician look good at the expense of taxpayer.

And cops gets paid higher with benefits already for the threats they endure!


31 posted on 12/27/2014 12:15:48 PM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: kearnyirish2
I pay for cops, and I won’t get a posthumous raise to increase the death benefit to my family if I die at my desk.<<<<<<<<<<<

I very seldom feel strongly enough about a post to overtly (but respectfully) disagree with anyone on FR, but please work the streets for 25 years (or even a couple of weeks) before bemoaning an officer's earned retirement or posthumous promotion. Your choice of professions dictates your benefits.

Perhaps we should have areas designated as “law enforcement free zones” where you would not have to “pay for cops”, then you're on your own. I doubt working at your desk puts you and your family at great risk for you being killed on any given day that you leave for work. That is, of course, with the exception of a 9-11 attack, and the sporadic, horrible workplace shootings that occur from time to time. I've been to too many LE funerals and lost too many caring, outstanding officers and friends. Schedule a ride-along with your local PD and think about the recent incidents when you roll up in response to a seemingly-routine call. And this doesn't even include the Ferguson-type situations that can ruin an officer's life in a few seconds while he or she is trying to stay alive and/or protect others.

32 posted on 12/27/2014 12:23:35 PM PST by Mjaye (Obama's chickens have come home to roost.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That was so honorable and beautiful. Thanks for posting it.


33 posted on 12/27/2014 12:27:02 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Mjaye

If it is in their contract, then so be it; if not, it is improper. NJ benefits from people fleeing the high costs of NYC; they can give the families a billion each.

The Jersey City cop I mentioned earlier in the thread was a young guy with no wife/kids; what was the purpose of that?

I understand law enforcement; as I posted, I have family in law enforcement. Living along the frontier of the Newark Welfare Reservation, I get it.


34 posted on 12/27/2014 12:27:12 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
Wow, you are a repulsive individual.

Guy died in the line of duty days before he was due for a promotion, and you would begrudge his family this token of respect?

You have personal problems that keep bubbling out on these threads.

Maybe you should give your mouth a break.

35 posted on 12/27/2014 12:34:43 PM PST by wideawake
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To: FreeReign
I'm paying the bill for these promotions directly, since I pay taxes in NYC.

I'd much rather help support these police officers' families than pay to support the bums, the thugs and all the other parasites that these officers died to protect me from.

But support those parasites I do, thanks to the antisocial "social programs" the city funds. I hope every dollar that accrues to those pensions comes out of some bogus pro-crime scam.

36 posted on 12/27/2014 12:43:37 PM PST by wideawake
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To: GreaterSwiss
I agree with poster. You can have a set policy that says if this happen x happens. But to do it adhoc is basically making the politician look good at the expense of taxpayer. And cops gets paid higher with benefits already for the threats they endure!

Well then you agree with the posthumous promotions.

As I pointed out to another poster posthumous promotions with associated benefit increases are standard practice in the NYPD for police killed in the line of duty.

As you say, "x happens".

37 posted on 12/27/2014 12:44:37 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: ansel12
If you want to give away your money, please do, but when the government unionizes against us, and steals our money, and is looting our cities, that is an entirely different story.

It's. Illegal. For. NYC. Unions. to. Strike.

38 posted on 12/27/2014 12:46:29 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: GreaterSwiss
Teachers in NYC get better benefits and get paid more per hour worked than cops do.

Also cops don't get tenure.

39 posted on 12/27/2014 12:47:52 PM PST by wideawake
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To: FreeReign

I didn’t mention striking, but are they promoting guys into higher benefit packages after death?


40 posted on 12/27/2014 12:52:49 PM PST by ansel12 (They hate us, because they ain't us.)
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